X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 10:30:38 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.sdc.com ([161.58.179.10] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6587761 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 09:10:38 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=161.58.179.10; envelope-from=ronald@sdc.com Received: from ASUSpc [70.63.140.178] by mail.sdc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-12.3.0.100) id 920d0002b166d48f; Wed, 13 Nov 2013 09:07:59 -0500 From: "Ronald Stevens" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: TBM CRASH -ICING TEB - what would you do? X-Original-Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 09:09:55 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <002e01cee07a$082aaed0$18800c70$@sdc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01CEE050.1F54A6D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 thread-index: AQGIQPp9/OdTPuXYOhmekTceyS8IM5qvLhcQ Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01CEE050.1F54A6D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been in ice..three times. Once with the velocity and twice with my Lancair 4p. The scariest was the time with the velocity, as I had my son sitting next to me, and I, dumbass, was thinking of rapidly climbing above the ice layer. My Velocity could climb easily with 2000fpm, so when I was IFR and getting ice I asked for a climb. Well...that was scary as the ice was accumulating rapidly, and thick. So by the time I was out of the clouds (at 12000ft) I had a thick layer on the leading edge, and the climb was a merely 200fpm with full power. So I promised myself that day ..never again.until I got my Lancair 4p with the RDD de-ice system on it (Thermal wing, electrical). Feeling good with this I encountered Ice, switched on the system and it was working.for about 15 minutes :( This happened twice..and that was it for me, I took the whole system out of my plane as I did not want to get seduced in this 'fake' safety, thinking that I could get out. Now the plane goes about 15kts faster, and I plan my flights also different now. But this 'fake' feeling, thinking that you can escape when having a system on our little planes, is not something uncommon. I read on the Cirrus website how proud a pilot was with his FIKI-TKS plane, because it was shedding some ice, and that he knew he was getting into this...now just think about it..he knew !!!! Now I understand when you have a Turbine, you need it, and yes I think a turbine plane without de-ice is not smart. You MUST go up high, otherwise the fuel sucks the live out of your wallet..but it should not suck the life out of you :) I think this MUST go up HIGH to fly reasonable economical, is why I stayed away from Turbines, and this accident shows that even experienced pilots get suckered in.no vale la pena (it is not worth it). == Ronald ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01CEE050.1F54A6D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I have been in ice….three times. Once with the velocity and = twice with my Lancair 4p.

The scariest was the time with the velocity, as I had my son sitting = next to me, and I, dumbass, was thinking of rapidly climbing above the = ice layer. My Velocity could climb easily with 2000fpm, so when I was = IFR and getting ice I asked for a climb. Well…..that was scary as = the ice was accumulating rapidly, and thick. So by the time I was out of = the clouds (at 12000ft) I had a thick layer on the leading edge, and the = climb was a merely 200fpm with full power.

So I promised myself that day ….never again…until I got = my Lancair 4p with the RDD de-ice system on it (Thermal wing, = electrical). Feeling good with this I encountered Ice, switched on the = system and it was working…for about 15 minutes L

This happened twice….and that was it for me, I took the whole = system out of my plane as I did not want to get seduced in this = ‘fake’ safety, thinking that I could get out. Now the plane = goes about 15kts faster, and I plan my flights also different now. =

But this ‘fake’ feeling, thinking that you can escape = when having a system on our little planes, is not something uncommon. I = read on the Cirrus website how proud a pilot was with his FIKI-TKS = plane, because it was shedding some ice, and that he knew he was getting = into this…..now just think about it….he knew !!!! =

Now I understand when you have a Turbine, you need it, and yes I = think a turbine plane without de-ice is not smart. You MUST go up high, = otherwise the fuel sucks the live out of your wallet….but it = should not suck the life out of you J

I think this MUST go up HIGH to fly reasonable economical, is why I = stayed away from Turbines, and this accident shows that even experienced = pilots get suckered in…no vale la pena (it is not worth = it).

=3D=3D Ronald

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