Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #67971
From: Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: N181AM nose gear collapse
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 09:43:56 -0500
To: Lancair Mailing List <lml@lancaironline.net>
A lot of contactors are not really up to it.  Some things to look at in the specs:
- for Adam's application, life expectancy vs. break current.   See "resistive load performance" on the attached ev100 data-sheet or "estimated make/break power switching ratings" on the attached ev200 data-sheet.
- max break current.   If you have a short somewhere you will have large current.  Odyssey batteries can develop over 1000 amps for example.  You would like to be able to interrupt that current by de-energizing the contactor (e.g. turning off a master switch or pump switch)   Max break would be about the current associated with 5 cycles in the above charts.   You may have anl's everywhere designed to handle a dead short from anything to anything within one  bus.   However, there's no anl appropriate for a starter so you are really counting on the contactor to open that circuit if you need to.  Same issue with Adam trying to get his pump to stop.

Other things that might be of interest:
- hold current.  how much it takes to keep the contacts closed once they are closed.   Nice if this is low if you have an alternator failure and are trying to stretch battery life.
- physical integrity.  I think standard issue contactors are made from low grade plastic and stamped sheet metal.   It was when mine fell apart because of abuse during installation that I got interested in higher quality parts.
- I think there is a discussion on the archive about use of transorb's to minimize damage of the controlling switches due to field collapse in the contactor coil.

I think if you can even find the related specs on standard issue contactors, you'll find them less than satisfying.  (Marv - below attachments should be ~500KB together)


On Nov 13, 2013, at 9:04 AM, Adam Molny wrote:

Paul -
The gear relays are activated by applying a small current to the relay coil
terminals. That pulls the main contacts closed against a strong spring. When
you remove power the spring pulls the main contacts apart. There is a known
failure mode where the main contacts weld themselves together. When that
happens the relay will remain in the "on" state regardless of what the
pressure switches are doing.

-Adam
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Miller [mailto:pjdmiller@gmail.com]

Adam, I don't understand how this happens unless the pressure switches on
the pump aren't shutting down.

Paul


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