X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:03:49 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from mail-pb0-f51.google.com ([209.85.160.51] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTPS id 6586312 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:43:54 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.51; envelope-from=2thman1@gmail.com Received: by mail-pb0-f51.google.com with SMTP id xa7so7045557pbc.10 for ; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:43:18 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.68.240.2 with SMTP id vw2mr36237895pbc.80.1384267398331; Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:43:18 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: <2thman1@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.1.121] (c-208-53-115-208.customer.broadstripe.net. [208.53.115.208]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id uq6sm37974294pbc.19.2013.11.12.06.43.16 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:43:16 -0800 (PST) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-9FABE678-15EE-4173-8875-7ADCAC28E6C9 X-Original-Message-Id: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPad Mail (11B511) From: John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [LML] N181AM nose gear collapse X-Original-Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:43:15 -0800 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List --Apple-Mail-9FABE678-15EE-4173-8875-7ADCAC28E6C9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ouch Adam. So sorry to hear about this. Can't believe AeroComposites is ou= t of business. Very distressing. John Sent from my iPad > On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:22 AM, "Adam Molny" wr= ote: >=20 > Sadly, following a fuel stop in Coshocton, Ohio (i40) on Nov 1, my Legacy h= ad an uncommanded nose gear retraction. The engine wasn=E2=80=99t running bu= t the propeller was damaged. My poor plane is currently sitting 400 miles aw= ay in Ohio while the prop is out for repair. > =20 > Symptoms > A few weeks before the incident I extended the gear for landing and the pu= mp kept running after all three were down and locked. I could hear that the p= ump was in bypass mode. When laying out the panel I installed the 2A gear re= lay breaker front and center next to the actuator switch so that I could eas= ily practice emergency gear extensions. So I promptly pulled the 2A breaker.= Guess what =E2=80=93 the pump kept running! I had to ask my mom to pull the= 40A hydraulic pump breaker since it is on the far right side of the instrum= ent panel. That stopped the pump. Since I was at a strange airport I borrowe= d a screwdriver, removed the baggage bulkhead and began troubleshooting. A f= ew raps on the faulty relay with a screwdriver handle fixed the problem. The= se are the Bosch relays that were recommended on the LML back in the late 90= =E2=80=99s. > =20 > It happened a second time a week or so later. This time I was flying right= seat working on my CFI-I. I pulled the 40A breaker then reset it and my ins= tructor was none the wiser. I ordered replacement relays (approx $25ea). The= relays arrived shortly before I had to leave on a trip and there wasn=E2=80= =99t time to install them. > =20 > The Incident > I was headed from KHWV to 1H0, an 800+ mile trip, for LOBO instructor trai= ning and bucking a 45kt headwind with plenty of turbulence. Like most 2-seat= Lancairs my pump will occasionally blip in flight if the hydraulic pressure= sags. This time the pump blipped and kept running. Once again I had to have= my passenger pull the 40A breaker. We briefed the plan for extending the ge= ar. I would select gear down, then he would reset the 40A breaker, then I wo= uld reset the 2A breaker. We completed those steps but the gear did not exte= nd. I flew an upwind leg at pattern altitude and performed an emergency gear= extension. We landed normally and refueled. > =20 > My plan was to do some troubleshooting on the ground and pull the baggage b= ulkhead access panel if necessary. I double- and triple-checked that the gea= r selector switch was in the down position before turning on the master. The= nose gear immediately retracted. It happens very fast since the nose wheel i= s perfectly happy rolling backwards with practically no resistance. The main= s don=E2=80=99t move since they would have to be dragged sideways against th= e pavement. The plan fell with a clang and came to rest on the two lower pro= p tips of my three-bladed Aerocomposites prop. The lower cowl and nose gear d= oors never touched the pavement. > =20 > The cause (speculative) > I believe the up relay contacts welded shut due to arcing. Since the down r= elay was still working, selecting gear down closed the down relay so that th= e pump was being powered in both directions at once. This is why the gear di= dn=E2=80=99t even try to extend in flight. I have an airspeed switch to prev= ent inadvertent gear retraction below 90kts, but with the up relay welded sh= ut it had no effect. > =20 > The plan > The propeller is on its way to American Propeller Service for inspection a= nd repair. They will sand down the blades and inspect them to determine the e= xtent of the damage. They will also inspect the hub since it must have taken= considerable stress. Once the prop is back in Ohio I will fly out there, fi= x the gear problem, and THEN reinstall the prop (how ugly would it be if the= plane fell off the jacks onto a brand new prop!). > =20 > Choosing your fuel stop > We chose our fuel stop by looking at Foreflight for good fuel prices along= our route of flight. Since this was only a fuel stop we didn=E2=80=99t look= at other amenities. It turns out that Coshocton Ohio is quite rural and our= incident happened at 5pm on a Friday. The nearest rental car agency is in Z= anesville, 45 miles away. To make matters worse, the town is in the middle o= f a 20-mile dead zone with no AT&T wireless coverage, making communication w= ith the outside world very difficult. It took fair amount of complicated log= istics to get ourselves to a commercial airport for the trip home. > =20 > Choosing an experimental propeller > Since two blades were facing down, one blade struck the leading edge and t= he other hit the trailing edge. The leading edge has a nickel alloy sheath t= hat extends all the way to the tip. There was no visible damage. However the= other blade=E2=80=99s trailing edge is very thin and flexible and was clear= ly damaged. Aerocomposites is no longer making propellers. They sold their t= echnology to McCauley, but McCauley only plans to make certified props. The p= rop shop told me my prop has a carbon fiber core with a fiberglass outer lay= er. If only the fiberglass is damaged the prop will be repairable. If not I w= ill have to either find a replacement blade somewhere or replace the whole p= rop with another brand. > =20 > Insurance > My insurance is up for renewal on 11/23. The renewal premium was $3438 aga= inst a $170,000 hull value. After the incident my premium was raised to $378= 1. I suppose I can=E2=80=99t complain since the repair bill will be in the $= 6,000-7,000 range, assuming the prop is repairable. > =20 > Safety practices during maintenance > I=E2=80=99m not sure what lessons I can pass along from this experience ot= her than to be extremely cautious when troubleshooting gear problems on the g= round. The only way to be completely safe would have been to jack up the pla= ne before turning on the master. I found out later that the maintenance shop= at this field is only open M-F 7a-4p so very little assistance would have b= een available until the following Monday regardless. > =20 > -Adam Molny > Legacy N181AM, 197.5 hrs and holding > =20 --Apple-Mail-9FABE678-15EE-4173-8875-7ADCAC28E6C9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ouch Adam.  So sorry to hear abou= t this.  Can't believe AeroComposites is out of business. Very distress= ing.

John

Sent from my iPad

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On Nov 12, 2013, at 4:22 AM, "Adam Molny" <Adam@ValidationPartners.com> wro= te:

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Sadly, following a fuel stop in Coshoc= ton, Ohio (i40) on Nov 1, my Lega= cy had an uncommanded nose gear retraction. The engine wasn=E2=80=99t running b= ut the propeller was damaged. My poor plane is currently sitting 400 miles away= in Ohio w= hile the prop is out for repair.

 

Symptoms

A few weeks before the incident I extended the gear for landing and the pump kept running after all three were down and locked. I could hear that the pump was= in bypass mode. When laying out the panel I installed the 2A gear relay breaker= front and center next to the actuator switch so that I could easily practice emergency gear extensions. So I promptly pulled the 2A breaker. Guess what =E2= =80=93 the pump kept running! I had to ask my mom to pull the 40A hydraulic pump breaker since it is on the far right side of the instrument panel. That stop= ped the pump. Since I was at a strange airport I borrowed a screwdriver, removed= the baggage bulkhead and began troubleshooting. A few raps on the faulty rel= ay with a screwdriver handle fixed the problem. These are the Bosch relays that were recommended on the LML back in the late 90=E2=80=99s. =

 

It happened a second time a week or so later. This time I was flying right seat= working on my CFI-I. I pulled the 40A breaker then reset it and my instructo= r was none the wiser. I ordered replacement relays (approx $25ea). The relays arrived shortly before I had to leave on a trip and there wasn=E2=80=99t tim= e to install them.

 

The Incident

I was headed from KHWV to 1H0, an 800+ mile trip, for LOBO instructor training and= bucking a 45kt headwind with plenty of turbulence. Like most 2-seat Lancairs my pump= will occasionally blip in flight if the hydraulic pressure sags. This time t= he pump blipped and kept running. Once again I had to have my passenger pull th= e 40A breaker. We briefed the plan for extending the gear. I would select gear= down, then he would reset the 40A breaker, then I would reset the 2A breaker. We completed those steps but the gear did not extend. I flew an upwind leg at pattern altitude and performed an emergency gear extension. We landed normal= ly and refueled.

 

My plan was to do some troubleshooting on the ground and pull the baggage bulkh= ead access panel if necessary. I double- and triple-checked that the gear select= or switch was in the down position before turning on the master. The nose gear i= mmediately retracted. It happens very fast since the nose wheel is perfectly happy roll= ing backwards with practically no resistance. The mains don=E2=80=99t move since= they would have to be dragged sideways against the pavement. The plan fell with a= clang and came to rest on the two lower prop tips of my three-bladed Aerocomposites prop. The lower cowl and nose gear doors never touched the pavement.

 

The cause (speculative)=

I believe the up relay contacts welded shut due to arcing. Since the down relay was st= ill working, selecting gear down closed the down relay so that the pump was bein= g powered in both directions at once. This is why the gear didn=E2=80=99t even= try to extend in flight. I have an airspeed switch to prevent inadvertent gear retraction below 90kts, but with the up relay welded shut it had no effect. <= o:p>

 

The plan

The propeller is on its way to American Propeller Service for inspection and repair. They will sand down the blades and inspect them to determine the ext= ent of the damage. They will also inspect the hub since it must have taken considerable stress. Once the prop is back in Ohio I will fly out there, fix the g= ear problem, and THEN reinstall the prop (how ugly would it be if the plane fell= off the jacks onto a brand new prop!).

 

Choosing your fuel stop

We chose our fuel stop by looking at Foreflight for good fuel prices along our route of flight. Since this was only a fuel stop we didn=E2=80=99t look at o= ther amenities. It turns out that Coshocton Ohio is quite rural and our incident h= appened at 5pm on a Friday. The nearest rental car agency is in Zanesville, 45 miles away. T= o make matters worse, the town is in the middle of a 20-mile dead zone with no AT&T wireless coverage, making communication with the outside world very difficul= t. It took fair amount of complicated logistics to get ourselves to a commercial airport for the trip home.

 

Choosing an experimental propeller

Since two blades were facing down, one blade struck the leading edge and the other= hit the trailing edge. The leading edge has a nickel alloy sheath that exten= ds all the way to the tip. There was no visible damage. However the other blade= =E2=80=99s trailing edge is very thin and flexible and was clearly damaged. Aerocomposi= tes is no longer making propellers. They sold their technology to McCauley, but McCauley only plans to make certified props. The prop shop told me my prop h= as a carbon fiber core with a fiberglass outer layer. If only the fiberglass is= damaged the prop will be repairable. If not I will have to either find a replacement blade somewhere or replace the whole prop with another brand.

 

Insurance

My insurance is up for renewal on 11/23. The renewal premium was $3438 against a= $170,000 hull value. After the incident my premium was raised to $3781. I suppose I can=E2=80=99t complain since the repair bill will be in the $6,000= -7,000 range, assuming the prop is repairable.

 

Safety practices during maintenance

I=E2=80=99m not sure what lessons I can pass along from this experience other than to be= extremely cautious when troubleshooting gear problems on the ground. The onl= y way to be completely safe would have been to jack up the plane before turnin= g on the master. I found out later that the maintenance shop at this field is onl= y open M-F 7a-4p so very little assistance would have been available until the= following Monday regardless.

 

-Adam Molny

Legacy N181AM, 197.5 hrs and holding

 

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