X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net ([209.86.89.70] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6584709 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:49:23 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.86.89.70; envelope-from=colyncase@earthlink.net DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=earthlink.net; b=sCw8zmUvyom//+c9OLIicWQzSqEO1N62ooGH/UjCnlhwVS1J08Zzl41j1a78AbhL; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [70.16.215.180] (helo=[192.168.1.24]) by elasmtp-banded.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1Vfqv6-0000qU-7R for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:48:44 -0500 From: Colyn Case Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1085) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-176--7485910 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: TKS and Icing Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:48:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1085) X-ELNK-Trace: 63d5d3452847f8b1d6dd28457998182d7e972de0d01da940f41a05261743b3158603ff545c208b93350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 70.16.215.180 --Apple-Mail-176--7485910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have on my piston but have not flown it yet. Analysis says 10 knots for the panels and something more for the prop. I'll let you know when I fly it. Brad Simmons did a very nice job on the install. Colyn On Nov 11, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Todd Long wrote: I've also heard up to a 20kt cruise speed loss and a slight stall speed = increase depending on how well the install was done. I have not heard of = any installed on the piston versions. Only Walters.=20 Typing and grammar errors courtesy of Siri and the iPhone. On Nov 10, 2013, at 10:01, "Tom & Beth Sullivan" = wrote: > I have had TKS on my Mooney Rocket since 2001, and have flown with = it on two different Bonanzas for our mercy flight organization over the = last 10 years. It clearly works better if wetted out before hitting = icing conditions than when turning it on after encountering it. It will = shed the ice then as well, but does if a lot slower, and in moderate = icing will get a bit hairy if activated late. When used properly, it = works better than boots IMHO. > =20 > Both my Rocket and the first Bonanza were non-certified icing = systems. When our organization was upgrading to a turbonormalized = Bonanza, several "professional" pilots insisted we get the a certified = TKS system, which required finding another (newer) airframe, having the = TKS installed before the Tornado Alley upgrade (or TKS would not certify = it), and meant we had to buy a high TBO Bonanza. Interestingly, the = only system to ever fail on me in serious icing was the certified one. > =20 > I had considered the system for my propjet, and have already = installed a 4 gallon tank to at least install the spray tubes on the = prop, which will keep the engine inlets clean, the prop clean, the = fuselage and part of the tail clean from the spray disc you will fly = through. I know of no way to get wing and tail panels now, as TKS no = longer supports these for the Lancair. Anyone know differently or know = of a set sitting somewhere? Not sure I want the speed penalty, but = flying around the Great Lakes in the winter will be fun without full = deice. > =20 > Tom Sullivan > U.P. of Michigan > =20 > =20 > For those that have either TKS or thermawing on their airplanes have = you ever been in anything more than trace or light icing? If so how did = the system and the airplane perform? >=20 > The key with boots or any system that cycles if you're not able to = regain some of the airspeed loss that occurred before the boots cycled = it's time to go down. --Apple-Mail-176--7485910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii I = have on my piston but have not flown it yet.
Analysis says 10 knots = for the panels and something more for the prop.
I'll let you = know when I fly it.

Brad Simmons did a very = nice job on the = install.

Colyn

On Nov = 11, 2013, at 7:29 AM, Todd Long wrote:

I've also = heard up to a 20kt cruise speed loss and a slight stall speed increase = depending on how well the install was done. I have not heard of any = installed on the piston versions. Only Walters. 

Typing and = grammar errors courtesy of Siri and the iPhone.

On Nov 10, = 2013, at 10:01, "Tom & Beth Sullivan" <toms1@chartermi.net> = wrote:

   I have had TKS on my = Mooney Rocket=20 since 2001, and have flown with it on two different Bonanzas for our = mercy=20 flight organization over the last 10 years.  It clearly works = better if=20 wetted out before hitting icing conditions than when turning it on after=20= encountering it.  It will shed the ice then as well, but does = if a lot=20 slower, and in moderate icing will get a bit hairy if activated = late.  When=20 used properly, it works better than boots IMHO.
 
   Both my Rocket and the = first Bonanza=20 were non-certified icing systems.  When our organization was = upgrading to a=20 turbonormalized Bonanza, several "professional" pilots insisted we get = the a=20 certified TKS system, which required finding another = (newer) airframe,=20 having the TKS installed before the Tornado Alley upgrade (or TKS = would not=20 certify it), and meant we had to buy a high TBO Bonanza. =20 Interestingly, the only system to ever fail on me in serious icing was = the=20 certified one.
 
   I had considered the = system for my=20 propjet, and have already installed a 4 gallon tank to at least install = the=20 spray tubes on the prop, which will keep the engine inlets clean, the = prop=20 clean, the fuselage and part of the tail clean from the spray disc you = will fly=20 through.  I know of no way to get wing and tail panels now, as TKS = no=20 longer supports these for the Lancair.  Anyone know differently or = know of=20 a set sitting somewhere?  Not sure I want the speed penalty, but = flying=20 around the Great Lakes in the winter will be fun without full=20 deice.
 
Tom Sullivan
U.P. of Michigan
 
 
For those=20 that have either TKS or thermawing on their airplanes have you ever been = in=20 anything more than trace or  light icing? If so how did the system = and the=20 airplane perform?

The key with boots or any system that cycles if = you're=20 not able to regain some of the airspeed loss that occurred before the = boots=20 cycled it's time to go down.

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