X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 09:57:51 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com ([17.158.58.247] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.7) with ESMTP id 6575717 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 07:49:50 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.58.247; envelope-from=gw5@me.com Received: from [10.0.1.66] (cpe-071-077-249-052.ec.res.rr.com [71.77.249.52]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.08(7.0.4.27.7) 64bit (built Aug 22 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MVQ00FHDOXY0590@nk11p08mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 04 Nov 2013 12:49:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-11-04_01:2013-11-04,2013-11-03,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1308280000 definitions=main-1311040061 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Fiberglass repair materials References: From: George Wehrung Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-202A0887-B453-4AEE-96DC-CF5F010FE0E1 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-reply-to: X-Original-Message-id: X-Original-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 07:49:23 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-202A0887-B453-4AEE-96DC-CF5F010FE0E1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 John,, Thank you for the advice Sent from my iPad On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:15, John Barrett wrote: > George, > =20 > I should have mentioned that the small parts like nutplates, all kinds of r= ivets and the like are frequently best found at Aircraft Spruce. I almost a= lways buy a small bag of any part I need getting at least a few extra and if= it=E2=80=99s screws or the like, I=E2=80=99ll buy some a little longer and s= ome a little shorter than I think I need. My goal is to gather extras and c= reate a stash of parts I may need in future.=20 > =20 > Sometimes parts I need are not available there and I found that Wicks and W= AG might have what I need. Google is a good tool for searching often times.= > =20 > =20 > Just to clarify, peel ply is a synthetic cloth =E2=80=93 usually Dacron or= Nylon - and it=E2=80=99s used to absorb extra resin. It=E2=80=99s very us= eful with carbon fiber cloth because the carbon fibers are much stiffer than= fiberglass and tend not to stay in place while setting if they are laid dow= n in a single plane. Resin impregnated peel ply acts almost like a tape over= the top. It has another advantage in that if left in place after layup on= a part you want to bond to something else, removing it just before bonding m= eans you don=E2=80=99t have to sand and clean the part prior to bonding beca= use the surface left by the peel ply is an ideal bonding surface if not cont= aminated. > =20 > If these tricks are not familiar to you I advise finding a mentor or at le= ast playing with some throw away stuff doing some trial work before tackling= the jobs on your airplane. > =20 > Hope this helps. > =20 > John > =20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Geo= rge Wehrung > Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 4:25 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Fiberglass repair materials > =20 > John, > =20 > Thanks for the good gouge on this stuff. I will likely also use the carbo= n fiber peel ply.=20 > =20 > I hate shopping at harbor freight as most of the stuff is chinese made and= fails. but i guess the rivet tools are simple enough. It's the nut plates= i need to replace. I obviously don't know the difference between prepreg a= nd honey comb laminate. > =20 > Other repairs I need to make is to the wheel pants, leg fairings and to th= e firewall on the inside of the cockpit where the exhaust hangers bolts pas= s through. > =20 >=20 >=20 > On Oct 31, 2013, at 04:05 PM, John Barrett <2thman1@gmail.com> wrote: >=20 > Try Dan Newland at www.pegasusaeromarine.com for cloth and resin. I have s= topped using fiberglass and all my repairs or mods are carbon fiber cloth th= ese days. The key is to use peel ply to hold the cloth down. I purchase a la= rge roll of peel ply - about 12" or more wide and then just cut what I need o= ff for any size layup. The small narrow rolls are not worth much and over pr= iced. The resin Dan has is higher modulus than the Jeffco and will be strong= er at no higher cost. Unless you have an oven and vacuum or a press mold, pr= e preg material won't work for you. If you are speaking of the honeycomb lam= inate that is another issue and it's nice to have some scraps around. >=20 > Rivets and the like are tools you need around the shop and I suggest you g= et that stuff at Harbor Freight if you want it cheap. They will work fine an= d if they don't, toss em out and buy another they are that cheap. Have been u= sing my pop rivet squeezer from them for about ten years with no complaints.= These are pop rivets I'm referring to. Consider using those over the bevele= d aluminum rivets every place where the rivets are not structural but just t= here to hold a nut plate in place for instance. The cherry pop rivets are SO= OOOO much easier to work with and perform just as well. Where I need to sque= eze the aluminum rivets, I just borrow a tool from friends t the airport. Ca= n't justify $100 plus to buy that seldom used tool. >=20 > My $.02 >=20 > John Barrett > N31VP >=20 >=20 >=20 > Micro balloons and chopped fiber pretty cheap from Lancair. >=20 > Best, > John Barrett >=20 > Sent from my iPad >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Oct 31, 2013, at 9:52 AM, George Wehrung wrote: > I know there have been some kits/planes sold and was wondering if anyone h= as any fiber glass kits/prepreg repair materials for sale? I need everything= . No damage but need to be able to make repairs and small modifications to p= lane such as repairing rock dings and reinforcing build up areas for the bag= gage door. I also need to remake my leg fairings and repair/reinforce cracks= in wheel pants. > I am also looking for rivets, rivet pliers, and the screw bosses as some o= f mine are in need of replacement. > I know I can get all this from Lancair or other online retailers but was h= oping for a good price from someone that no longer gas a need for these item= s. > Thank you > George > Sent from my iPhone > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l --Apple-Mail-202A0887-B453-4AEE-96DC-CF5F010FE0E1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
John,,

Thank you for the advice



Sent from my= iPad

On Nov 1, 2013, at 10:15, John Barrett <jbarrett@carbinge.com> wrote:

George,

 

I should have mentioned that the s= mall parts like nutplates, all kinds of rivets and the like are frequently b= est found at Aircraft Spruce.  I almost always buy a small bag of any p= art I need getting at least a few extra and if it=E2=80=99s screws or the li= ke, I=E2=80=99ll buy some a little longer and some a little shorter than I t= hink I need.  My goal is to gather extras and create a stash of parts I= may need in future. 

=  

Sometimes parts I need are not availabl= e there and I found that Wicks and WAG might have what I need.  Google i= s a good tool for searching often times.

 

 =

Just to clarify, pee= l ply is a synthetic cloth =E2=80=93 usually Dacron or Nylon -  and it=E2= =80=99s used to absorb extra resin.  It=E2=80=99s very useful with carb= on fiber cloth because the carbon fibers are much stiffer than fiberglass an= d tend not to stay in place while setting if they are laid down in a single p= lane. Resin impregnated peel ply acts almost like a tape over the top. =  It has another advantage in that if left in place after layup on a pa= rt you want to bond to something else, removing it just before bonding means= you don=E2=80=99t have to sand and clean the part prior to bonding because t= he surface left by the peel ply is an ideal bonding surface if not contamina= ted.

 

If these tricks are not familiar to you I advise finding a mento= r or at least playing with some throw away stuff doing some trial work befor= e tackling the jobs on your airplane.

 

Hope this helps.

 =

Joh= n

=  

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.= net] On Behalf Of George Wehrung
Sent: Friday, November 01,= 2013 4:25 AM
To: lml@lan= caironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Fiberglass repair materials<= o:p>

 

John,

 

Thanks for the= good gouge on this stuff.  I will likely also use the carbon fiber pee= l ply. 

 

I hate shopping at harbor freight a= s most of the stuff is chinese made and fails.  but i guess the rivet t= ools are simple enough.  It's the nut plates i need to replace.  I= obviously don't know the difference between prepreg and honey comb laminate= .

 

Other repairs I need to make is to the wheel pa= nts, leg fairings and to the firewall on the inside of  the cockpit whe= re the exhaust hangers bolts pass through.

 



On Oct 31, 2013, at 04:05 PM, John Barrett &l= t;2thman1@gmail.com> wrote:=

Try Dan Newland at www.pegasusaeromarine.com for cloth and resin. I= have stopped using fiberglass and all my repairs or mods are carbon fiber c= loth these days. The key is to use peel ply to hold the cloth down. I purcha= se a large roll of peel ply - about 12" or more wide and then just cut what I= need off for any size layup. The small narrow rolls are not worth much and o= ver priced. The resin Dan has is higher modulus than the Jeffco and will be s= tronger at no higher cost. Unless you have an oven and vacuum or a press mol= d, pre preg material won't work for you. If you are speaking of the honeycom= b laminate that is another issue and it's nice to have some scraps around.
Rivets and the like are tools you need around the shop and I suggest y= ou get that stuff at Harbor Freight if you want it cheap. They will work fin= e and if they don't, toss em out and buy another they are that cheap. Have b= een using my pop rivet squeezer from them for about ten years with no compla= ints. These are pop rivets I'm referring to. Consider using those over the b= eveled aluminum rivets every place where the rivets are not structural but j= ust there to hold a nut plate in place for instance. The cherry pop rivets a= re SOOOOO much easier to work with and perform just as well. Where I need to= squeeze the aluminum rivets, I just borrow a tool from friends t the airpor= t. Can't justify $100 plus to buy that seldom used tool.

My $.02
<= br>John Barrett
N31VP



Micro balloons and chopped fiber pre= tty cheap from Lancair.

Best,
John Barrett

Sent from my iPa= d



On Oct 31, 2013, at 9= :52 AM, George Wehrung <gw5@me.com> w= rote:

I know there have been some kits/planes sold and w= as wondering if anyone has any fiber glass kits/prepreg repair materials for= sale? I need everything. No damage but need to be able to make repairs and s= mall modifications to plane such as repairing rock dings and reinforcing bui= ld up areas for the baggage door. I also need to remake my leg fairings and r= epair/reinforce cracks in wheel pants.

I am= also looking for rivets, rivet pliers, and the screw bosses as some of mine= are in need of replacement.

I know I can g= et all this from Lancair or other online retailers but was hoping for a good= price from someone that no longer gas a need for these items.

Thank you

George

Sent from my iPhone

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