Mailing Lijst lml@lancaironline.net Bericht #67278
Van: Chris Zavatson <chris_zavatson@yahoo.com>
Afzender: <marv@lancaironline.net>
Onderwerp: Re: [LML] Re: LNC2 flaps at Reflex
Datum: Sun, 06 Oct 2013 19:37:17 -0400
Aan: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Gary,
I threw some numbers at this technique to see how close it would have come to actual values.  A big unknown is drag of the propeller in the glide portion.  I was able to compare two different engines.  Both were stock factory built O-360-A1A Lycomings using the very same governor and prop.  Of interest relative to this exercise it that the minimum obtainable coarse pitch rpm was different and this affected the sink rates.  My first engine would have come out at 167 hp, the second 194 hp.  The actual rating is 180.  The airframe drag is low relative to variability of the prop.  My mid-weight minimum required thrust is 90-100 lb.  The prop can easily overshadow that.  Now if we could jettison the prop blades for this test........
Another wrinkle is that the prop efficiency changes with altitude as density goes down and true airspeed climbs. 
Unfortunately a dyno looks very appealing if any degree of accuracy is desired.
 
Chris Zavatson
N91CZ
360std
 

From: Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com>
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Sunday, October 6, 2013 5:44 AM
Subject: [LML] Re: LNC2 flaps at Reflex

Wolfgang gave a correct partial answer - as opposed to a partially-correct answer :-).  The climb rate you are looking for is the DIFFERENCE between the "climb" rates at full power and at no power.  At the same airspeed, climb at full power and then glide with no power (at the same altitude, of course).  Say you weigh 1800 pounds, can climb at 1000 ft/min and have a descent rate of 1000 ft/min at no power (so I can do the math in my head).  The difference is 2000 ft/min, giving an engine power (no, let's call it "thrust horsepower") of 109 hp.  The propeller efficiency might be 80 percent, so the crank power would be 136 hp (109 divided by 0.8).  Let's say you did the test at about 8,000 feet - as an approximation, the correction to sea level power is 133%, so the corrected sea level hp is then 180 hp.  Yes, there are too many corrections and approximations to make it very accurate, but it can give you a rough idea of the actual power of your engine.  Somebody out there should give it a try and report the results.
Gary

Sure you can.
 
Wt x V / 33000 = HP
 
Wt = weight in Lbs
V = climb rate in Ft/Min
33000 = Ft-Lbs/Min per HP
 
1800 x 1000 / 33000 = 54.5 HP
 
Keep in mind that's the NET HP . . . after engine efficiency, propeller efficiency and drag.
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, October 04, 2013 7:32 AM
Subject: RE: [LML] Re: LNC2 flaps at Reflex

Hmmmm,
 
If you don’t know the HP that your engine is developing how would you go about discovering it?  Can you determine HP by climb rate at a known weight?
 
B2


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