X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:10:52 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.109.202] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.6) with ESMTPS id 6455843 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 05 Sep 2013 15:08:47 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.109.202; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.65]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id A12FE70040646 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 15:08:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.7.114] (unknown [12.110.229.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 2F803E0005F0; Thu, 5 Sep 2013 15:08:11 -0400 (EDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Original-Message-Id: <2AE31C74-D09D-490B-8688-9055BFD13E52@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) From: Jeff Edwards Subject: Re: [LML] Ramp rats, signs and airplanes X-Original-Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 14:08:09 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List x-aol-global-disposition: G x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29415228d69a2b22 X-AOL-IP: 12.110.229.82 Paul, Great material!=20 Jeff On Sep 5, 2013, at 8:40 AM, Paul Miller wrote: > The guide to ramps is easy after 30 years of getting whacked. Expect the= worse and prepare ahead of time. A few tips from my pocketbook. >=20 > No matter where you go, if they need the space, you'll get moved. If its= late at night and the hockey teams' 737 is arriving, you'll get moved if yo= u're in the way or if they need the ramp. You can do all the prep in the w= orld but some places just have to move airplanes. Most use tugs even with a= 1600lb Lancair. Find out who is on shift and call them to explain what you= want and how you can assist. That handles about 95% of the problems. >=20 > I learned from damage to C414, TBMs and other planes that it just happens b= ut you can be prepared. I make a set of stainless tow pins for the TBM 700s= that fit the French metric pinhole. I've sold a couple hundred and I make t= hem soft for a reason. I've replaced about 50 of them over time when an ow= ner calls to say they are bent. I tell the owner to go to the FBO and compla= in because some tug jockey popped a clutch and bent those pins and may have d= amaged a nose strut or linkage. These are A-class FBOs where this happens b= ut at least we have an indicator that something happened. >=20 > Make up signs with your cell and instructions. If you want it moved by to= w bar or tug or push/pulled or have the pilot come out to move it then put t= hat in a visible area near the nose wheel. Leave a tow bar that can facilit= ate hand movements. >=20 > Always carry a camera in the plane. >=20 > Leave the front desk with a printed sheet with your numbers and emails and= instructions. Be prepared to come out at any time to move if that's what y= ou asked for. If the weather changes, call the front desk and ask them if h= angar space if available or if the plane is protected into the wind or whate= ver is best. But calling typically gives you a better idea of what is happe= ning on the ramp when WX gets nasty. Some great places will just move you i= nside if they have room and the sirens are going off. If major storms are a= risk tell them ahead of time to move you inside and you'll pay and put that= on the sheet. That way there's no excuse. You might get a bill once in a w= hile. >=20 > If there is damage, photograph it immediately and insist on a rep from the= FBO to acknowledge the damage in writing and ask for details on their insur= ance. Photograph your plane regularly at home so you have a record. Typical= ly, ramp rash is out of the pockets of fuelers and the FBO and insurance is a= lmost never involved. I experienced a Falcon wingtip pulled off moving my C= essna and the guy was so scared he buried the evidence. He never got fired e= ither and that was an AVITAT. $25,000 wingtip and $5000 to my Cessna leadin= g edge and boots. Remember you probably can't fly legally unless you get a l= ogbook entry as to the repair or inspection. >=20 > I had the C414 parked tail into a wind storm with no rudder lock, requirin= g new skins and paint. The FBO made it up with fuel credits--not cash. I h= ad called that previous night but they never put the lock back on after repo= sitioning. That was a Millionaire. >=20 > I leave a sign not to do windows although that is almost never a problem t= hese days. I never touch the pressurized windows, maybe hose them once in a= while is all that I do. >=20 > I go to self-serve pumps and quiet airports when available and I am almost= always present if someone else fuels the plane. A lonely airport solves ab= out 90% of all the ramp rash and fuel problems. >=20 > Ramp rats are very careful when someone is watching, or so it seems. (I'v= e been a ramp rat and I've dinged an airplane going too fast on a tug on a c= old winter night). I've seen rats use a screwdriver to chip the ice off the= top of my wing to get at the fuel cap. Yeah, that was an AVITAT too--diff= erent one. Be there for your fuel. Be prepared to wait on departure if the= FBO is busy that morning. Go out the night before and get it done when thi= ngs are quiet. Bring doughnuts or anything half decent. At a busy place, t= hese rats can go nonstop all day and are grateful to get the leftover cateri= ng from the BBJ or Q-jet. Then the freight runs start and can consume the e= ntire night. Is that where you are parking for a week? >=20 > I bring my own fuel mat that is clean and free of chips and stones and oil= . It is made from snowmobile suit material and never freezes in winter like= rubber mats. I wash it with soap and water and keep it with me. >=20 > If you are really adamant about not moving the plane then get those chocks= made up with appropriate language and have it direct to call you so that yo= u can come out in the middle of the night and move it. Or go to a tie-down s= pot and tie it down. At busy airports a ramp spot is not a dedicated space= . Its a fluid parking lot of different aircraft and you can't expect to sta= y in a place unless they've marked that on your sheet. But, I found if you t= ake time to leave notes, make a call and express your wishes in writing, peo= ple tend to take notice and they appreciate you recognizing they have a job t= o do and you've made it easier with your information. At busy airports with= tight space you're going to get moved. >=20 > I'm sure others have tips to share as well. >=20 > Paul > Legacy >=20 >> on my prop to move the airplane around the ramp. What have you guys been >> successful with to prevent this? "NO PUSH/PULL" signs do not seem to work= , >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l