X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 12:46:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-pa0-f48.google.com ([209.85.220.48] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.6) with ESMTPS id 6435973 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 11:45:47 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.48; envelope-from=legacyl2k@gmail.com Received: by mail-pa0-f48.google.com with SMTP id kp13so956535pab.35 for ; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:45:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.149.231 with SMTP id ud7mr10320859pab.8.1377099910269; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:45:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.43.37 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:45:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 08:45:10 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Prop governor's From: Mike Larkin X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b6d95d0f8d2cb04e4770e03 --047d7b6d95d0f8d2cb04e4770e03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Paul's explanation is all correct for non-counterweighted and non-feathering propellers. For these type of props it is just the opposite, the spring and/or counterweights drives the prop course and the oil pressure drives the prop flat. The reason I bring it up is, these type of props are becoming more common. In the aerobatic world for example the trend is to use a counterweighted prop to preclude over-speed in the event of oil pressure loss during 'acro' maneuvers, which is common. On some of the high wing loaded airplanes (like Lancair's) many pilots are using full-feathering props for much better glide in the event of an engine failure. Mike Larkin President LAC Legacy Owner, Builder Kitfox Owner, Builder Glassair Owner, Builder Import Jet, Owner, Restorer Airline Test Pilot, Airbus On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:10 AM, wrote: > Thank you Paul! > > For the rest...refer to your propeller owner's manual... Not Glenda the > Good Witch of the Wind. > > Jeff ;) > > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Paul Miller wrote: > > Maybe we should refer to the manuals on how props go to low pitch. It > ain't relative wind or any other kind of wind. It is a "really big spring" > in the hub. From Hartzell: > > (2) Centrifugal twisting moment acting on the blades moves the blades to a > low blade angle (low pitch) to increase RPM. Since the centrifugal twisting > moment is only present when the propeller is rotating, a mechanical spring > is installed within the propeller to assist movement of the blades to a > lower pitch position as RPM decays, and to reduce the propeller pitch to > the low pitch stop when the propeller is static. With the blades at low > pitch, the load on the starter when starting the engine is reduced > significantly. > > (3) Oil pressure opposes the spring and centrifugal twisting moment to > move the blades to a high blade angle (high pitch), reducing engine RPM. > > (4) If oil pressure is lost at any time, the propeller will move to low > pitch. This occurs because the spring and blade centrifugal twisting moment > are no longer opposed by hydraulic oil pressure. The propeller will then > reduce blade pitch to the low pitch stop. > > On 2013-08-20, at 1:45 PM, Jack Morgan wrote: > > If oil pressure fails, standard CS props are driven flat by the relative > wind ... > > -- Mike Larkin LarkinAviationConsulting LegacyL2K@gmail.com 602-770-6054 --047d7b6d95d0f8d2cb04e4770e03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Paul's explana= tion is all correct for non-counterweighted and non-feathering propellers.= =A0 For these type of props it is just the opposite, the spring and/or coun= terweights drives the prop course and the oil pressure drives the prop flat= .=A0 The reason I bring it up is, these type of props are becoming more com= mon.=A0 In the aerobatic world for example the trend is to use a counterwei= ghted prop to preclude over-speed in the event of oil pressure loss during = 'acro' maneuvers, which is common.=A0 On some of the high wing load= ed airplanes (like Lancair's) many pilots are using full-feathering pro= ps for much better glide in the event of an engine failure.

Mike Larkin


President
LAC

= Legacy Owner, Builder
Kitfox Owner, Builder
Glassair Owne= r, Builder
Import Jet, Owner, Restorer
Airline Test Pilot= , Airbus


On Wed,= Aug 21, 2013 at 5:10 AM, <vtailjeff@aol.com> wrote:
Thank you Paul!=A0

F= or the rest...refer to your propeller owner's manual... Not Glenda the = Good Witch of the Wind.

Jeff ;)

Sent from m= y iPad

On Aug 21, 2013, at 6:40 AM, Paul Miller &l= t;pjdmiller@gmail.= com> wrote:

M= aybe we should refer to the manuals on how props go to low pitch. =A0It ain= 't relative wind or any other kind of wind. =A0It is a "really big= spring" in the hub. =A0From Hartzell:

(2) Centrifugal twisting moment acting on the blades moves the blades to= a low blade angle (low pitch) to increase RPM. Since the centrifugal twist= ing moment is only present when the propeller is rotating, a mechanical spr= ing is installed within the propeller to assist movement of the blades to a= lower pitch position as RPM decays, and to reduce the propeller pitch to t= he low pitch stop when the propeller is static. With the blades at low pitc= h, the load on the starter when starting the engine is reduced significantl= y.=A0

(3) Oil pressure opposes the spring and centrifugal twisting mom= ent to move the blades to a high blade angle (high pitch), reducing engine = RPM.=A0

(4) If oil pressure is lost at any time, the propeller will move= to low pitch. This occurs because the spring and blade centrifugal twistin= g moment are no longer opposed by hydraulic oil pressure. The propeller wil= l then reduce blade pitch to the low pitch stop.

On 2013-08-20, at 1:45 PM, Jack Morgan <jmorgan1023@comc= ast.net> wrote:

If oil pressure fails, standard CS props are driven flat by the relati= ve wind ...



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Mike Larkin
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602-770-6054
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