X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omr-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.109.202] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.6) with ESMTPS id 6431470 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:56:48 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.109.202; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.72]) by omr-d05.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id E077B700000BF for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-mtb003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mtb003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.201]) by mtaomg-mb01.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id AF93BE000082 for ; Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:56:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Sky2high@aol.com Full-name: Sky2high Message-ID: Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Approach and prep for landing To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ca0db.17755964.3f423a8c_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 168 X-Originating-IP: [67.175.156.123] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20121107; t=1376837772; bh=CH1xt3x7wdJsJS2JJ62VQRaYvXRzEvIUZaqF3H+ZRxw=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=WxpUH6cvVp3d1moVvmRYnRbw6Cr21NBAMO8em9ZvsDZQjEZhLdTGVYCxGdNYpg0jO vqsLtMZhKM1rinIfCa2D70fOWO3qBl8e36dnaHUsrnFjgN7bZfk+uab2zRbR1GBwn+ eeB+IXDzHYkU8/zwlqYFWhpTKEbZBBTtANH3Qzgs= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d29485210e08c6977 --part1_ca0db.17755964.3f423a8c_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Practice by getting out your sectional and draw 15, 10 and 5 NM circles around your airport. In a message dated 8/18/2013 9:45:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, gary21sn@hotmail.com writes: Ok, but I don't have a GPS approach type of GPS. Now what do I do? Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: _Sky2high@aol.com_ (mailto:Sky2high@aol.com) To: _lml@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:lml@lancaironline.net) Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:14 PM Subject: [LML] Approach and prep for landing Egads, the "Flaps at Takeoff" topic was totally hijacked and morphed by folks thinking that low approaches and other weird maneuvers are OK after engine failures. Well, be that as it may, consider a more analytical approach to approaches. If one were to look critically at 99% of GPS approaches and adopt the principles contained therein, one would find consistent, stabilized approaches to all airports, resulting in safer and better landings. Almost all GPS approaches are accomplished in three 5-mile legs. 1st Leg: Get down to a reasonable altitude, speed and configuration. Mentally prepare for the final 10 miles 2nd Leg: Lower altitude (usually around 2000 - 2500 AGL), approach speed (depends on aircraft, 320 = 110 to 120 KIAS) and configuration (320 should ultimately result in flaps at take off position or about 10 degrees from reflex), Mixture appropriate for altitude. Stabilized. 3rd Leg: Gear down and pattern entry at an altitude slightly above that established for underpowered spam cans and wide enough to do a controlled 180 arc from downwind to final so that runway alignment adjustments are made throughout the arc rather that dangerous 90 degree turns. Speed, descent, and position reasonably controlled by power and further flap extension. No need to adjust prop. On final, one need not muck around much with things except perhaps power. Go around only requires throttle to cruise power (prop already there), stopping descent, and begin to clean up drag before any drastic maneuvers. Go out and practice this method. See how it meets the requirement of the Commercial License credo - give the passenger a good ride. Oh well, what the hell, fly it any way your experienced C150 instructor tells you........... Scott Krueger --part1_ca0db.17755964.3f423a8c_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Practice by getting out your sectional and draw 15, 10 and 5 NM circle= s=20 around your airport.
 
In a message dated 8/18/2013 9:45:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 gary21sn@hotmail.com writes:
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Ok, but I don't have a GPS approach type of GPS.  Now what do I= =20 do?
 
Gary
----- Original Message -----
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:= 14=20 PM
Subject: [LML] Approach and prep= for=20 landing

Egads, the "Flaps at Takeoff" topic was totally hijacked and morph= ed by=20 folks thinking that low approaches and other weird maneuvers are OK aft= er=20 engine failures.  Well, be that as it may, consider a more analyti= cal=20 approach to approaches.
 
If one were to look critically at 99% of GPS approaches and adopt = the=20 principles contained therein, one would find consistent, stabilized=20 approaches to all airports, resulting in safer and better=20 landings.
 
Almost all GPS approaches are accomplished in three 5-mile=20 legs.
 
1st Leg:  Get down to a reasonable altitude, speed and=20 configuration.  Mentally prepare for the final 10 miles
 
2nd Leg:  Lower altitude (usually around 2000 - 2500 AGL= ),=20 approach speed (depends on aircraft, 320 =3D 110 to 120 KIAS) and=20 configuration (320 should ultimately result in flaps at take off positi= on or=20 about 10 degrees from reflex), Mixture appropriate for altitude. = =20 Stabilized.
 
3rd Leg: Gear down and pattern entry at an altitude slightly = above=20 that established for underpowered spam cans and wide enough to do a=20 controlled 180 arc from downwind to final so that runway alignment=20 adjustments are made throughout the arc rather that dangerous 90 degree= =20 turns.  Speed, descent, and position reasonably controlled by powe= r and=20 further flap extension. No need to adjust prop.
 
On final, one need not muck around much with things except pe= rhaps=20 power.  Go around only requires throttle to cruise power (prop alr= eady=20 there), stopping descent, and begin to clean up drag before any drastic= =20 maneuvers.
 
Go out and practice this method.  See how it meets the requir= ement=20 of the Commercial License credo - give the passenger a good ride.
 
Oh well, what the hell, fly it any way your experienced C150 instr= uctor=20 tells you...........
 
Scott Krueger
 
 
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