X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:45:09 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from blu0-omc3-s35.blu0.hotmail.com ([65.55.116.110] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6421841 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 16 Aug 2013 22:00:32 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.55.116.110; envelope-from=gary21sn@hotmail.com Received: from BLU172-DS16 ([65.55.116.72]) by blu0-omc3-s35.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:00:00 -0700 X-TMN: [z4KacEDaayDyPOM8uxMMQaBxQ9nAf/0j] X-Originating-Email: [gary21sn@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: gary21sn@hotmail.com From: "Gary Edwards" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: Subject: Re: Approach and prep for landing X-Original-Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:00:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03E3_01CE9AB2.CF311680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V10.50.0008.2100 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 19:00:00 -0700 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 Aug 2013 02:00:00.0034 (UTC) FILETIME=[7AE90020:01CE9AED] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03E3_01CE9AB2.CF311680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, but I don't have a GPS approach type of GPS. Now what do I do? Gary ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Sky2high@aol.com=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 6:14 PM Subject: [LML] Approach and prep for landing Egads, the "Flaps at Takeoff" topic was totally hijacked and morphed = by folks thinking that low approaches and other weird maneuvers are OK = after engine failures. Well, be that as it may, consider a more = analytical approach to approaches. If one were to look critically at 99% of GPS approaches and adopt the = principles contained therein, one would find consistent, stabilized = approaches to all airports, resulting in safer and better landings. Almost all GPS approaches are accomplished in three 5-mile legs. 1st Leg: Get down to a reasonable altitude, speed and configuration. = Mentally prepare for the final 10 miles=20 2nd Leg: Lower altitude (usually around 2000 - 2500 AGL), approach = speed (depends on aircraft, 320 =3D 110 to 120 KIAS) and configuration = (320 should ultimately result in flaps at take off position or about 10 = degrees from reflex), Mixture appropriate for altitude. Stabilized. 3rd Leg: Gear down and pattern entry at an altitude slightly above = that established for underpowered spam cans and wide enough to do a = controlled 180 arc from downwind to final so that runway alignment = adjustments are made throughout the arc rather that dangerous 90 degree = turns. Speed, descent, and position reasonably controlled by power and = further flap extension. No need to adjust prop. On final, one need not muck around much with things except perhaps = power. Go around only requires throttle to cruise power (prop already = there), stopping descent, and begin to clean up drag before any drastic = maneuvers.=20 Go out and practice this method. See how it meets the requirement of = the Commercial License credo - give the passenger a good ride. Oh well, what the hell, fly it any way your experienced C150 = instructor tells you........... Scott Krueger ------=_NextPart_000_03E3_01CE9AB2.CF311680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ok, but I don't have a GPS approach type of GPS.  Now what do = I=20 do?
 
Gary
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Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 = 6:14=20 PM
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Egads, the "Flaps at Takeoff" topic was totally hijacked and = morphed by=20 folks thinking that low approaches and other weird maneuvers are OK = after=20 engine failures.  Well, be that as it may, consider a more = analytical=20 approach to approaches.
 
If one were to look critically at 99% of GPS approaches and adopt = the=20 principles contained therein, one would find consistent, stabilized = approaches=20 to all airports, resulting in safer and better landings.
 
Almost all GPS approaches are accomplished in three 5-mile=20 legs.
 
1st Leg:  Get down to a reasonable altitude, speed and=20 configuration.  Mentally prepare for the final 10 miles
 
2nd Leg:  Lower altitude (usually around 2000 - 2500 = AGL),=20 approach speed (depends on aircraft, 320 =3D 110 to 120 KIAS) and = configuration=20 (320 should ultimately result in flaps at take off position or about = 10=20 degrees from reflex), Mixture appropriate for altitude. =20 Stabilized.
 
3rd Leg: Gear down and pattern entry at an altitude slightly = above=20 that established for underpowered spam cans and wide enough to do a = controlled=20 180 arc from downwind to final so that runway alignment adjustments = are made=20 throughout the arc rather that dangerous 90 degree turns.  Speed, = descent, and position reasonably controlled by power and further flap=20 extension. No need to adjust prop.
 
On final, one need not muck around much with things except = perhaps=20 power.  Go around only requires throttle to cruise power (prop = already=20 there), stopping descent, and begin to clean up drag before any = drastic=20 maneuvers.
 
Go out and practice this method.  See how it meets the = requirement=20 of the Commercial License credo - give the passenger a good = ride.
 
Oh well, what the hell, fly it any way your experienced C150 = instructor=20 tells you...........
 
Scott Krueger
 
 
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