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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off?
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I hadn't heard of this technique before, but it makes sense.=A0 It sounds l=
ike a simple way to prevent an unfavorable spanwise load distribution and t=
ip stall at really low speed.=0ATapered wings tend to push stall initiation=
 out to the tip.=A0 To counter this, washout can be used to unload the tip.=
=A0My 360=A0has 2 degrees washout.=A0 Deflecting an aileron will defeat the=
 effect of washout and will again promote tip stall.=A0 Lowering flaps to t=
he same angle as the aileron throw unloads the tip to the point where full =
aileron deflection=A0won't produce a tip stall.=A0=0A=A0=0AChris Zavatson=
=0AN91CZ=0A360std=0Ahttp://www.n91cz.net/=0A =0A=0A________________________=
________=0A From: Dico Reijers <dico@internetworks.ca>=0ATo: lml@lancaironl=
ine.net =0ASent: Saturday, August 10, 2013 8:47 PM=0ASubject: [LML] Re: Fla=
ps on take-off?=0A  =0A=0A=0AHi All,=0A=0AThere isn't a particular reason I=
 don't want to use flaps other than I don't like the "sinking feeling"...=
=A0 but I will take a look at Bob's suggestion on how to slow that down.=A0=
=A0 I was also taught the "deflect the ailerons and put the flaps down to t=
hat point" which I guessed was about 15 degrees or so.=A0 I see here that i=
ts actually 20 degrees....=A0 =0A=0A-dr=0A=0A=0A-- =0ARegards,=0A=0ADico Re=
ijers=0A=0AInternetWorks Ltd.=0A300 University Avenue=0ACharlottetown=0APE,=
 C1A 4M4=0A=0A902-892-4671 (T)=0A888-368-9484 (F)=0A=0Ahttp://www.internetw=
orks.ca/=0Ahttp://www.apartmentspei.com/
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<html><body><div style=3D"color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:ar=
ial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>I hadn't heard of thi=
s technique before, but it makes sense.&nbsp; It sounds like a simple way t=
o prevent an unfavorable spanwise load distribution and tip stall at really=
 low speed.</span></div><div><span>Tapered wings tend to push stall initiat=
ion out to the tip.&nbsp; To counter this, washout can be used to unload th=
e tip.&nbsp;My 360&nbsp;has 2 degrees washout.&nbsp; Deflecting an aileron =
will defeat the effect of washout and will again promote tip stall.&nbsp; L=
owering flaps to the same angle as the aileron throw unloads the tip to the=
 point where full aileron deflection&nbsp;won't produce a tip stall.&nbsp;<=
/span></div><div><span></span>&nbsp;</div><div>Chris Zavatson</div><div>N91=
CZ</div><div>360std</div><div><a href=3D"http://www.n91cz.net/">http://www.=
n91cz.net/</a><br></div>  <div style=3D"font-family: arial, helvetica,
 sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style=3D"font-family: times new roman,=
 new york, times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div class=3D=
"hr" style=3D"margin: 5px 0px; padding: 0px; border: 1px solid rgb(204, 204=
, 204); height: 0px; line-height: 0; font-size: 0px;" contenteditable=3D"fa=
lse" readonly=3D"true"></div>  <font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"> <b><span st=
yle=3D"font-weight: bold;">From:</span></b> Dico Reijers &lt;dico@internetw=
orks.ca&gt;<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> lml@la=
ncaironline.net <br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b>=
 Saturday, August 10, 2013 8:47 PM<br> <b><span style=3D"font-weight: bold;=
">Subject:</span></b> [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off?<br> </font> </div> <div =
class=3D"y_msg_container"><br>=0A<div id=3D"yiv1350820750">Hi All,<br><br>T=
here isn't a particular reason I don't want to use flaps other than I don't=
 like the "sinking feeling"...&nbsp; but I will take a look at Bob's sugges=
tion on how to slow that down.&nbsp;&nbsp; I was also taught the "deflect t=
he ailerons and put the flaps down to that point" which I guessed was about=
 15 degrees or so.&nbsp; I see here that its actually 20 degrees....&nbsp; =
<br>=0A<br>-dr<br><br clear=3D"all"><br>-- <br>Regards,<br><br>Dico Reijers=
<br><br>InternetWorks Ltd.<br>300 University Avenue<br>Charlottetown<br>PE,=
 C1A 4M4<br><br>902-892-4671 (T)<br>888-368-9484 (F)<br><br><a href=3D"http=
://www.internetworks.ca/" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow">http://www.int=
ernetworks.ca/</a><br>=0A<a href=3D"http://www.apartmentspei.com/" target=
=3D"_blank" rel=3D"nofollow">http://www.apartmentspei.com/</a></div><br><br=
></div> </div> </div>  </div></body></html>
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