X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from db9outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com ([213.199.154.248] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6419315 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 09:11:41 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=213.199.154.248; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from mail28-db9-R.bigfish.com (10.174.16.250) by DB9EHSOBE033.bigfish.com (10.174.14.96) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.22; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:11:03 +0000 Received: from mail28-db9 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail28-db9-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 295EA3200C9 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:11:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.245.5;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:CH1PRD0710HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -3 X-BigFish: PS-3(zz98dI9371Ic85fh1447Izz1f42h208ch1ee6h1de0h1fdah2073h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ah1fc6hzz1d7338h1de098h17326ah18c673h1de096h8275bh8275dh1de097hz2fh2a8h668h839hd25hf0ah1288h12a5h12bdh137ah1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h18e1h1946h19b5h19ceh1ad9h1b0ah1bceh1d07h1d0ch1d2eh1d3fh1de9h1dfeh1dffh1e1dh1fe8h1ff5h1155h) Received-SPF: pass (mail28-db9: domain of htii.com designates 157.56.245.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.245.5; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com; helo=CH1PRD0710HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail28-db9 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail28-db9 (MessageSwitch) id 1376572259935855_15342; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB9EHSMHS007.bigfish.com (unknown [10.174.16.247]) by mail28-db9.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5DAD34008E for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:10:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1PRD0710HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.245.5) by DB9EHSMHS007.bigfish.com (10.174.14.17) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.16.227.3; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:10:57 +0000 Received: from CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.29]) by CH1PRD0710HT003.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.152.38]) with mapi id 14.16.0347.000; Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:10:56 +0000 From: Robert R Pastusek To: Lancair Mailing List Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? Thread-Index: AQHOma9MnMdxiUXCakqpxhUmyibFE5mWOHwg Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 13:10:56 +0000 Message-ID: <41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD6689C2FB@CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [70.192.193.173] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD6689C2FBCH1PRD0710MB367_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Return-Path: rpastusek@htii.com X-OriginatorOrg: htii.com X-FOPE-CONNECTOR: Id%0$Dn%*$RO%0$TLS%0$FQDN%$TlsDn% --_000_41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD6689C2FBCH1PRD0710MB367_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the additional advice. Good recommendation! Much better than the old fighter pilot's "watch this!" J Bob Comment from the wild side: And if, like me, you want to figure it out for= yourself, consider practicing aloft doing whatever you would do for an eng= ine-out pattern and noting the altitude loss, then you can move your practi= ce gradually down to ground level. PS -- I'm an instructor, but I've always liked to test my own theories and = then bring my results to other experienced guys (mostly instructors) for co= nfirmation/correction and greater insight. On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Robert R Pastusek wrote: ... For those of you who have not practiced engine-out landings to a full stop,= I encourage you to get a QUALIFIED instructor or experienced Lancair co-pi= lot and practice this at a suitable runway. (3,000' is not suitable for pra= ctice, just in case this is not obvious to all... :) ) Bob Pastusek --_000_41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD6689C2FBCH1PRD0710MB367_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for the additional advice. Good recommendati= on!

Much better than the old fighter pilot’s R= 20;watch this!”  J

 

Bob

 

Comment from the wild side:  And if, like me, you want= to figure it out for yourself, consider practicing aloft doing whatever yo= u would do for an engine-out pattern and noting the altitude loss, then you can move your practice gradually down to ground le= vel.

 

PS -- I'm an instructor, but I've always liked to test my o= wn theories and then bring my results to other experienced guys (mostly ins= tructors) for confirmation/correction and greater insight.

 

 

On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Robert R Pastusek wrote:<= /o:p>



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For those of you who have not practiced engine-o= ut landings to a full stop, I encourage you to get a QUALIFIED instructor or experienced Lancair co-pilot and practice this at a suitable runway. (3= ,000’ is not suitable for practice, just in case this is not obvious = to all… J )

 

Bob Pastusek

 

 

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