X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 08:02:00 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [17.172.108.250] (HELO st11p05mm-asmtp002.mac.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6418627 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 19:53:47 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.172.108.250; envelope-from=yak55m@icloud.com Received: from [10.183.92.99] (mobile-166-147-069-080.mycingular.net [166.147.69.80]) by st11p05mm-asmtp002.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-27.07(7.0.4.27.6) 64bit (built Jun 21 2013)) with ESMTPSA id <0MRJ006DFP0LVR50@st11p05mm-asmtp002.mac.com> for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 23:53:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-08-14_09:2013-08-14,2013-08-14,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1305240000 definitions=main-1308140194 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: FW: [LML] Flaps on take-off? References: From: andres katz Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7DE9BC2B-731D-48AC-8CAB-5CD522F53288 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10B329) In-reply-to: X-Original-Message-id: <1BF22D48-B5AE-4035-B1F1-8675D043EC5B@icloud.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:53:03 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit MIME-version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-7DE9BC2B-731D-48AC-8CAB-5CD522F53288 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just came back from flying the IV P, early slow built heavy 2650 lbs, 91 deg= rees oat 40 gallons on airport altitude 460 feet 1500 foot pattern 120 kts o= n power off on the break (initial for those non military) break at the numbe= rs prop fine pitch 35 degree bank landing gear down on the break flaps on tu= rn to final I guess I should do a itube for those that say its not possible w= ingtips no stall devices Practice, practice, practice=20 Sent from my iPhone On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Robert R Pastusek wrote: > Ditto for me in my IV-P, although I do fly 1000=E2=80=99 pattern altitude.= I expect some would object to a low-wing airplane coming down on top of a h= igh-wing by flying a higher pattern. My only defense is that I am aware of t= he risk, and check especially carefully for this. I also recognize that I am= most likely to hit someone in the tail, rather than vice-versa, so I consid= er myself =E2=80=9Cthe burdened party=E2=80=9D to see and avoid. > =20 > For those of you who have not practiced engine-out landings to a full stop= , I encourage you to get a QUALIFIED instructor or experienced Lancair co-pi= lot and practice this at a suitable runway. (3,000=E2=80=99 is not suitable f= or practice, just in case this is not obvious to all=E2=80=A6 J ) > =20 > Bob Pastusek > =20 > Bill, > =20 > Maybe I=E2=80=99m just a lucky guy but I regularly practice power off appr= oaches from 800 ft AGL on downwind abeam the numbers in both our 320 and our= IV. It CAN be done safely and consistently. Training and practice are the= keys. > =20 > Bill Harrelson > N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs > N6ZQ IV 350 hrs > =20 > =20 > =20 > =20 > From: Bill Bradburry > Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:05 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: FW: [LML] Flaps on take-off? > =20 > Robert, > =20 > You should try it under conditions that are more likely to be the case.=20= > =20 > Descend to pattern altitude, 1000 ft AGL, slow to pattern speed, and idle t= he engine abeam the numbers and see if you can make it > =20 > I recommend you idle the engine and not kill it, because I would be surpri= sed if you do make it. I also don=E2=80=99t recommend you coarse pitch the p= rop since you may need to add power for the go around. > =20 > Bill > =20 --Apple-Mail-7DE9BC2B-731D-48AC-8CAB-5CD522F53288 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just came back from flying the IV P, e= arly slow built heavy 2650 lbs, 91 degrees oat 40 gallons on airport altitud= e 460 feet 1500 foot pattern 120 kts on power off on the break (initial for t= hose non military) break at the numbers prop fine pitch 35 degree bank landi= ng gear down on the break flaps on turn to final I guess I should do a itube= for those that say its not possible wingtips no stall devices
Practice, practice, practice 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:16 PM, Robert R Pastusek <rpastusek@htii.com> wrote:

Ditto for me in my IV-P, although I do fly 1000=E2=80=99= pattern altitude. I expect some would object to a low-wing airplane coming down on top of a high-wing by flying a higher pattern. My only defen= se is that I am aware of the risk, and check especially carefully for this. I= also recognize that I am most likely to hit someone in the tail, rather tha= n vice-versa, so I consider myself =E2=80=9Cthe burdened party=E2=80=9D to see and avoid.

 

For those of you who have not practiced engine-out lan= dings to a full stop, I encourage you to get a QUALIFIED instructor or experienced Lancair co-pilot and practice this at a suitable runway. (3,= 000=E2=80=99 is not suitable for practice, just in case this is not obvious t= o all=E2=80=A6 J )

 

Bob Pastusek

 

Bill,

 

Maybe I=E2=80=99m just a lucky guy but I regularly practice power= off approaches from 800 ft AGL on downwind abeam the numbers in both our 320 and our IV.  It CAN be done safely and consistently.  Trainin= g and practice are the keys.

 

Bill Harrelson

N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs

N6ZQ  IV  350 hrs

 

 

 

 

<= b>From: Bill Bradburry

Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 2:05 PM

Subject:= [LML] Re: FW: [LML] Flaps on take-off?

 

Robert,

 

You should try it under conditio= ns that are more likely to be the case. 

 

Descend to pattern altitude, 100= 0 ft AGL, slow to pattern speed, and idle the engine abeam the numbers and s= ee if you can make it

 

I recommend you idle the engine a= nd not kill it, because I would be surprised if you do make it.  I also= don=E2=80=99t recommend you coarse pitch the prop since you may need to add power for the go around.

 

Bill

 

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