X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:05:34 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net ([207.115.11.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6418159 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:01:00 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=207.115.11.52; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-98-85-141-180.mco.bellsouth.net[98.85.141.180]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20130814180023H0200jauvde>; Wed, 14 Aug 2013 18:00:23 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [98.85.141.180] From: "Bill Bradburry" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? X-Original-Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 14:00:23 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <2A5C71EE13C048CAB5B60B634B2721D2@Desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01CE98F6.9F34AF90" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac6ZAXlV2tt7bqn+TA2PsWFu7dGpIAAFl9Jg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CE98F6.9F34AF90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Wolfgang, Not all of us are as experienced or as skillful as you are. That is why we are trying to get better informed from folks like you on this list. Be patient with us. :>) B2 _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:18 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? When I fly the LS-3, I can become a brick any time I want (spoilers), or anything in between. It wouldn't hurt for all pilots to have 10-20 hours in gliders. The point is piloting should be second nature. If you have to stop and think about it, you're too slow and likely behind the airplane. . . . and if you're behind the airplane, you're an accident looking for a place to happen. Wolfgang ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Harrelson To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:37 AM Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? Hi Bill, When I introduce a pilot to the Lancair 320/360, I explain that they need to check out in two completely different airplanes...dirty and clean. I have measured the glide ratio of our 320 with power off, clean and the prop full aft at better than 20:1. That's hardly a brick, more like a Schweizer 2-33 glider. At the other end of the spectrum is the same plane dirty. Now you have the proverbial brick. I regularly practice power off approaches in both the 320 and the IV. Get training from a LOBO or HPAT instructor and you'll gain a great deal of confidence in handling these planes power off. It CAN be done safely and consistently. One skill that you'll need to acquire is knowing when to convert from glider to brick. Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs N6ZQ IV 350 hrs From: Bill Bradburry Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 9:25 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off? That seems a scenario where you would be in better shape with the flaps up. You very well might make the runway. With flaps down, you likely would not and it would be very dangerous to try and retract them. With the high wing loading that all the Lancairs have, they are flying bricks with no power. I think almost nobody makes the approach to land with no power. Remember way back in primary training when the instructor had you remove power abeam the numbers and make the landing without having to add power? Does anyone practice that maneuver with their Lancair? Bill B ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01CE98F6.9F34AF90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Wolfgang,

Not all of us are as experienced or = as skillful as you are.  That is why we are trying to get better = informed from folks like you on this list.

Be patient with us.  = :>)

 

B2

 

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Wolfgang
Sent: Wednesday, August = 14, 2013 11:18 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps = on take-off?

 

When I fly the LS-3, I can become a brick any time I = want (spoilers), or anything in between.

It wouldn't hurt for all pilots to have 10-20 = hours in gliders.

The point is piloting should be second = nature.

If you have to stop and think about it, you're too = slow and likely behind the airplane.

. . . and if you're behind the airplane, you're an = accident looking for a place to happen.

 

Wolfgang

----- Original Message ----- =

Sent: = Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:37 AM

Subject: Re: = [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off?

 

Hi = Bill,

 

When I introduce a pilot to the Lancair 320/360, I explain that they need to = check out in two completely different airplanes...dirty and clean. I have measured = the glide ratio of our 320 with power off, clean and the prop full aft at = better than 20:1. That’s hardly a brick, more like a Schweizer 2-33 glider. At the other end of the spectrum is the same plane dirty. = Now you have the proverbial brick.

 

I regularly = practice power off approaches in both the 320 and the IV. Get training from a = LOBO or HPAT instructor and you’ll gain a great deal of confidence in = handling these planes power off. It CAN be done safely and consistently.  One = skill that you’ll need to acquire is knowing when to convert from glider to = brick.

 

Bill = Harrelson

N5ZQ 320 = 2,150 hrs

N6ZQ  = IV  350 hrs

 

 

 

 

Sent: Tuesday, = August 13, 2013 9:25 AM

Subject: [LML] Re: Flaps on take-off?

 

That seems a scenario where you = would be in better shape with the flaps up.  You very well might make the runway.  With flaps down, you likely would not and it would be very dangerous to try and retract them.  With the high wing loading that = all the Lancairs have, they are flying bricks with no power.  I think = almost nobody makes the approach to land with no = power.

Remember way back in primary = training when the instructor had you remove power abeam the numbers and make the = landing without having to add power?  Does anyone practice that maneuver = with their Lancair?

 

Bill B

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