Return-Path: Received: from imo-r15.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.69]) by ns1.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-64832U3500L350S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:30:54 -0400 Received: from RWolf99@aol.com by imo-r15.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v28.15.) id k.9.9cc86dd (16787) for ; Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:37:27 -0400 (EDT) From: RWolf99@aol.com Message-ID: <9.9cc86dd.26d6ef96@aol.com> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:37:26 EDT Subject: Kit Quality - Is Lancair the right kit? To: lancair.list@olsusa.com X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Tossing my two cents in on this issue.... I researched kitplanes for about 15 years before I bought a Lancair. Why so much research? I couldn't afford to buy a kit -- what else could I do but hope and dream and wait until my income rose to the levels necessary to afford a kit? I tell people who are contemplating buying a kit (and I know there's several out there reading this) that there's three things they need to decide: 1) Do you want to build or fly? By this I mean is your primary motivation to build an airplane or own a flying homebuilt? If you're not enthralled by the building process, buy a finished plane -- whether it comes from Wichita or someone's garage. 2) What is the mission of the airplane? Do you want to do serious akro, just bore holes in the sky, or do high-speed long cross-countries? How many seats do you need? How fast must you go? Is 150 mph okay or do you need 200 plus? How much can you afford? This is the process in which research is helpful. 3) What medium do you want to work in? Metal, wood, tube-and-fabric or composite? This is one of the major factors in determining whether you enjoy the building process or hate it. Most people don't experience composite manufacture in everyday life, though we've all seen woodworking, understand metal working, and have a reasonable understanding of tube-and-fabric. Taking one of those weekend builder workshop classes is a fantastic idea here. You might also consider the Rutan book ($14 from AC Spruce) and practice materials kit where you build a bookend, if you live in a part of the country where the classes aren't held. One reason I like fiberglass is because I can usually make it pretty after cure with sandpaper or a Dremel tool. Try that with a sheet metal airplane! Once you've gone through the above steps, you've narrowed the field down to a small handful of airplanes. For example, composite high-speed cross-country airplanes gives us Glasairs, Lancairs, and the Long-EZ clones, but not much else. Maybe a Europa. Now you can buy the information packs for the individual kits and compare them. Also compare the companies themselves, though that's a little harder. My comments on the Lancair 320/360 plans, parts and support? I have a fast-build kit and the composite parts are pretty good. The factory workmanship on the fast-built stuff is superb. I wish my layups were consistently as pretty. On the parts that I have to assemble, some fitting between composite parts is usually required but they leave you with enough material to trim off -- you rarely have to add more. There is an exception here with the saddles on the 320/360 for the vertical tail, which requires significant rework but, like much of the building process, seems like it will be harder than it actually turns out to be. The metal parts generally fit together well, though occasionally I have to run a drill through a hole to clean it up (particularly the holes that have been anodized) and sometimes have to drag out my file. But in general, the metal parts are very good. The manual is less than perfect -- but I have not seen a better manual on any kitplane. It's easy to follow but doesn't always answer all your questions. Fortunately there are folks up there in Redmond who will. The factory support is superb, both for builder questions and parts and material supply. The factory is not quick to point out problems with their kits, so you will sometimes encounter a difficulty that has been solved by everyone who has gone before you, and wonder why nobody's updated the manual, but when you call you'll get the recommended fix immediately. And there's this e-mail forum, which helps a lot. So in total, you can get all the help you need between the manual, the factory, and other builders. Summarizing, the Lancairs are great kits -- if you need to go fast, don't insist on serious akro, like working with fiberglass, and can afford it. - Rob Wolf >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/Users/Mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>