X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 08:27:55 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-f171.google.com ([209.85.223.171] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6024838 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 21:31:11 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.223.171; envelope-from=donkarich@gmail.com Received: by mail-ie0-f171.google.com with SMTP id 9so9033645iec.16 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:30:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.91.169 with SMTP id cf9mr13656082igb.44.1358908238783; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:30:38 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.71.74 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:30:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:30:38 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IFR Flight Plans From: Don Karich X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3b9daddae34804d3eb7ace --e89a8f3b9daddae34804d3eb7ace Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I think that is called "Declaring an emergency" On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Bill Hogarty wrote: > IFR flight plans are required for the safe, orderly, and expeditious > control of IFR air traffic. > (sound familiar? ). VFR flight plans are primarily to provide search and > rescue, if needed. > > "IFR climb to VFR on Top" is an IFR flight plan which ATC seems very > reluctant to approve these days. No requirement to cancel when reaching " > on top" as long as VFR can be maintained. > > One point to be clarified is that a VFR pilot can always request an IFR > clearance from an ATC facility when in flight ( i.e., if encountering bad > Wx)....... BUT granting an IFR clearance is always at the discretion of > ATC. (workload permitting) > > Plan ahead and avoid the dreaded phone call > > Regards, Bill H > > > > On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Ron Galbraith wrote: > > The only reason IFR flight plans are required in the first place Is for > search and rescue. The controllers could care less about a flight plan. > When a controller "may" ask u for the rest of the flight plan it's not for > him unless its a long drawn out route,and your option as a pilot to provide > it. For IFR pop up through a cloud layer with intent to go VFR is an > approved procedure. You are on an IFR clearance and if you want to talk > semantics then technically you are on an IFR flight plan. I was an ATC for > 24 years. Not something I just think I know. The only thing a controller > is interested in is what type plane you are in and the route you want to > go. I once asked a good ol boy his type aircraft and equipment. His > response was......well, thanks for asking. I have a 1977 Cessna 172 with > the Nav II pack. I asked his destination and he or proceeded to tell me he > was going to his sister in laws wedding in eastern Nevada. Imagine a long > slow Texan drawl. All I wanted was. Cessna 172 slant Alpha. I asked > his cruising altitude and he said. "Well, I'm just going to go over these > mountains up ahead if I can clear them". > Not sure what ever happened to mister pilot , but rumor has it he was > killed in a new pickup truck. Last words were. "Hey bubba, watch > this"...... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:41 AM, "Skip Slater" wrote: > > Don, > Care to expound on your one word statement? If this is wrong, someone > needs to tell the controllers who have approved it each time I've requested > it. > Skip > > > wrong > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Skip Slater wrote: > >> Possibly IFR to VFR on top, then cancel. I've done that a couple of times >> to take off from coastal airports with a marine layer that only extended a >> few miles inland. Don't need a flight plan to do that. >> >> Skip Slater > > --e89a8f3b9daddae34804d3eb7ace Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I think that is called "Declaring an emergency"

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Bill Hogarty <billhogarty@gmail.com> wrote:
IFR flight plans are required for the safe, orderly, and expeditious c= ontrol of IFR air traffic.
(sound familiar? ). =A0 VFR flight plans are primarily to provide sear= ch and rescue, if needed.

"IFR climb to VFR on Top" is an IFR flight plan which ATC se= ems very reluctant to approve these days. =A0No requirement to cancel when = reaching " on top" =A0as long as VFR can be maintained.

One point to be clarified is that a VFR pilot can always request an IF= R clearance from an ATC facility when in flight ( i.e., if encountering bad= Wx)....... BUT granting an IFR clearance is always at the discretion of AT= C. (workload permitting)

Plan ahead and avoid the dreaded phone call

Regards, Bill H



On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Ron Galbraith <cfi@instructor.net> wrote:
<= br>
The only reason IFR flight plans are required in the first place Is fo= r search and rescue. =A0The controllers could care less about a flight plan= . =A0When a controller "may" ask u for the rest of the flight pla= n it's not for him unless its a long drawn out route,and your option as= a pilot to provide it. =A0For IFR pop up through a cloud layer with intent= to go VFR is an approved procedure. =A0You are on an IFR clearance and if = you want to talk semantics then technically you are on an IFR flight plan. = =A0I was an ATC for 24 years. =A0Not something I just think I know. =A0 The= only thing a controller is interested in is what type plane you are in and= the route you want to go. =A0I once asked a good ol boy his type aircraft = and equipment. =A0 His response was......well, thanks for asking. =A0 I hav= e a 1977 Cessna 172 with the Nav II pack. =A0I asked his destination and he= or proceeded to tell me he was going to his sister in laws wedding in east= ern Nevada. =A0 Imagine a long slow Texan drawl. =A0 All I wanted was. =A0C= essna 172 slant Alpha. =A0 I asked his cruising altitude and he said. =A0&q= uot;Well, I'm just going to go over these mountains up ahead if I can c= lear them". =A0
Not sure what ever happened to mister pilot , but rumor has it he was = killed in a new pickup truck. =A0Last words were. =A0"Hey bubba, watch= this"......

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:41 AM, "Skip Slater" <skipslater@verizon.net= > wrote:

Don,
=A0=A0 Care to expound on your one word statement= ?=A0 If this is wrong, someone needs to tell the controllers who have appro= ved it each time I've requested it.
=A0=A0 Skip
=A0
=A0
wrong

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Skip Slater <skipslater@verizon.net> wrote:
Possibly IFR to VFR on top, then canc= el. I've done that a couple of times to take off from coastal airports = with a marine layer that only extended a few miles inland. Don't need a= flight plan to do that.

Skip Slater
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