X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:44:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from snt0-omc3-s49.snt0.hotmail.com ([65.54.51.86] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6024450 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:29:10 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.54.51.86; envelope-from=hpbergeron@hotmail.com Received: from SNT123-W51 ([65.55.90.136]) by snt0-omc3-s49.snt0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:28:35 -0800 X-EIP: [wnH8cmfzqcJAA6oyPpioQjdEPtpi+aFy] X-Originating-Email: [hpbergeron@hotmail.com] X-Original-Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: hpbergeron@hotmail.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_b67d754b-44d6-48aa-85ab-ab659035254e_" From: Hugh Bergeron X-Original-To: lml e-mails Subject: RE: [LML] Re: IFR to VFR on top X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:28:35 -0500 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 22 Jan 2013 21:28:35.0985 (UTC) FILETIME=[6FC3D010:01CDF8E7] --_b67d754b-44d6-48aa-85ab-ab659035254e_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Obviously I was misunderstood=2C in my question I was talking about "VFR" t= o VFR on top. Back in the late 1950's=2C as a tower operator at an Air For= ce base in Indiana=2C Indianapolis Center frequently used this clearance fo= r Military scrambles when weather conditions permitted=2C for obvious reaso= ns (they didn't have to clear any airspace for the scramble). I remember o= ne occasion where an Air Force pilot=2C after having been given this cleara= nce=2C flew through a solid layer (at a fairly high altitude) and was buste= d for doing so. Hugh To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 15:25:25 -0500 From: ralphlove@stanfordalumni.org Subject: [LML] Re: IFR to VFR on top When you ask for an IFR clearance=2C they never ask if you are IFR qualifie= d and current. They just give you the clearance. The same is true with IFR = to VFR on top=2C but legally you better be qualified and current Pink PanfherRalph Love On Jan 22=2C 2013=2C at 9:24 AM=2C "Skip Slater" w= rote: "VFR to VFR-on-top=2C where you wanted the benefits=20 of an IFR clearance but some of the freedom of VFR conditions=2C was a comm= on=20 clearance used in military scrambles back when I was a military controller.= Is=20 this clearance still available today?" =20 All I can tell you is that I've not had a problem=20 getting one when I needed it. I've gotten them from for a couple of=20 departures from Orange County and Santa Barbara airports when they've had m= arine=20 layers on the coast. With tops around 2000' and CAVU conditions just a few= =20 miles inland=2C it's a good option. I just request it from clearance=20 delivery and they give me an IFR departure with a clearance limit. =20 Once I'm on top and am leaving their Class C=2C I just cancel and proceed=20 VFR. =20 When you think about it=2C it's really no different=20 than flying somewhere VFR and finding the weather has closed in at your=20 destination. You call approach=2C request an IFR clearance to the airport= =20 and they give you one. Not something you'd normally do=2C but it is an=20 option. =20 Skip = --_b67d754b-44d6-48aa-85ab-ab659035254e_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Obviously I was misunderstood=2C in my question I was talking about "= VFR" to VFR on top.  =3BBack in the late 1950's=2C as a tower o= perator at an Air Force base in Indiana=2C Indianapolis Center frequently u= sed this clearance for Military scrambles when weather conditions permitted= =2C for obvious reasons (they didn't have to clear any airspace for the scr= amble).  =3BI remember one occasion where an Air Force pilot=2C after h= aving been given this clearance=2C flew through a solid layer (at a fairly = high altitude) and was busted for doing so.

Hugh

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To: lml@= lancaironline.net
Date: Tue=2C 22 Jan 2013 15:25:25 -0500
From: ralph= love@stanfordalumni.org
Subject: [LML] Re: IFR to VFR on top

When you ask for an IFR clearance=2C they never ask if you are IFR qualifi= ed and current. They just give you the clearance. The same is true with IFR= to VFR on top=2C but legally you better be qualified and current

Pink Panfher
Ralph Love

On Jan 22= =2C 2013=2C at 9:24 AM=2C "Skip Slater" <=3Bskipslater@verizon.net>=3B wrote:

"VFR to VFR-on-top=2C where you wanted= the benefits=20 of an IFR clearance but some of the freedom of VFR conditions=2C was a comm= on=20 clearance used in military scrambles back when I was a military controller.= Is=20 this clearance still available today?"
 =3B
All I can tell you is that I've not ha= d a problem=20 getting one when I needed it. =3B I've gotten them from for a couple of= =20 departures from Orange County and Santa Barbara airports when they've had m= arine=20 layers on the coast. =3B With tops around 2000' and CAVU conditions jus= t a few=20 miles inland=2C it's a good option. =3B I just request it from clearanc= e=20 delivery and they give me an IFR departure with a clearance limit. =3B&= nbsp=3B=20 Once =3BI'm on top and am leaving their Class C=2C I just cancel and pr= oceed=20 VFR.
 =3B
When you think about it=2C it's really= no different=20 than flying somewhere VFR and finding the weather has closed in at your=20 destination. =3B You call approach=2C request an IFR clearance to the a= irport=20 and they give you one. =3B Not something you'd normally do=2C but it is= an=20 option.
 =3B
Skip
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