X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:44:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm13-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.160] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6024508 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:03:32 -0500 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.160; envelope-from=ralphlove@stanfordalumni.org Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm13.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 22:02:56 -0000 Received: from [67.195.14.111] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 22:02:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 22:02:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 588262.87536.bm@smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: sE.A2rEVM1lwxaQrPz7Oj5pilaZ61rPAO.gh.a8XwDwIGRg RwWRdALbGzxw16h6SIue2xZxncsBX5byIDH.moJg_V1NxEXnzNhvPCIM1OpF Tn1FfCm_HJHWfj1HISy83Uhi264TGEOeei_tYByx39bjTt8f4cwQOhCYZH6F tgA62IhKbza6A18SKR8vEBc6VF3sqpR9PcL_idaaoTseRRSXHLJXuskWvjAh JgMFRhclz9txKtLLwZOQQCrxySLff7CIiA6BDO37TdRTskL2L373beUN9tQL zqotGQzXtsQlu1f6AzTHfmHhAz94cvKIOUMNxJuIvTLmWy.RQ7YRty39XGag wQ17uQQFyeP1C21XwAoeH.c5aLrtiZkvP9NfkoDSLVrJCEIr0o8KNfGG6mco _4Yb9LIZr2JT3cSdXzGEtyKz8jtrIcRMTwZmPhA4daJQPZ7uA6Dd09v_wlHQ WoRze98E0edFxUUAq736Y8_gag3Du0ftu_V0Fb4Zm9O8XhLU- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O0s9NnaswBCimploNHufwcJQi58B5NjMy.C2WAjfZjgmjJOd Received: from [10.0.1.5] (ralphlove@67.188.62.229 with plain) by smtp108.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2013 14:02:56 -0800 PST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: WPR13FA076 References: From: Ralph Love Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-4A05F717-43DC-4850-9A7A-A7926A0C21AB X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10A523) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <064AFACB-CDCD-4AC3-AC7F-A24402588425@stanfordalumni.org> X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:02:56 -0800 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-4A05F717-43DC-4850-9A7A-A7926A0C21AB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seems like our responses should be informative, not combative Pink Panther Ralph Love On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:47 PM, "Danny" wrote: > Don, > No, it=E2=80=99s you who is wrong. IFR to VFR on top is a common clearanc= e, especially in places such as southern CA where an early morning and late e= vening marine layer is common. I=E2=80=99ve done it so many times I=E2=80=99= ve lost count, not that anybody was counting in the first place. Raise your= awareness. > =20 > Danny > LNC2-360 > N 38=C2=B0 43' 25.7" > W 77=C2=B0 30' 38.6" > Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. > =20 > From: Don Karich [mailto:donkarich@gmail.com]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:25 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: WPR13FA076 > =20 > My one word response was a clue that you definitely need to discuss this w= ith a CFII. You are soo wrong >=20 > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Paul Miller wrote: > Yep Skip, another waste of everyone's time and non-helpful response ("wron= g"). The fact is I have done exactly the same thing, VFR Flight, needed an= IFR clearance to VFR conditions without a flight plan. My last was in the L= egacy at night with a layer on top of the destination airport. I asked appr= oach for a IFR descent clearance from 4000 to 2000 through the clouds, got i= t, broke out and cancelled, landed VFR. In the last 5 years I've found cont= rollers extremely willing to be helpful to VFR pilots who ask for assistance= . >=20 > Paul > Legacy > On 2013-01-21, at 12:37 PM, "Skip Slater" wrote: >=20 > > Possibly IFR to VFR on top, then cancel. I've done that a couple of tim= es to take off from coastal airports with a marine layer that only extended a= few miles inland. Don't need a flight plan to do that. > > > > Skip Slater > > > > -- > > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.h= tml >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l > =20 --Apple-Mail-4A05F717-43DC-4850-9A7A-A7926A0C21AB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Seems like our responses should be inf= ormative, not combative

Pink Panther
Ralph Love

On Jan 22, 2013, at 12:47 PM, "Danny" <danny@n107sd.com> wrote:

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Don,

No, it=E2=80=99s you who is= wrong.  IFR to VFR on top is a= common clearance, especially in places such as southern CA where an early m= orning and late evening marine layer is common.  I=E2=80=99ve done it so many times I=E2=80=99ve lost count= , not that anybody was counting in the first place.  Raise your awareness.

 

Danny

LNC2-360

N 38=C2=B0 43' 25.7"

W 77=C2=B0 30' 38.6"

Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talent= ed fool.

 

From: Don Karich [mailto:donkar= ich@gmail.com]
Sent: T= uesday, January 22, 2013 3:25 PM
To:<= /span> lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: WPR13= FA076

 

<= font size=3D"3" face=3D"Times New Roman">My= one word response was a clue that you definitely need to discuss this with a= CFII. You are soo wrong

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Paul Miller <pjdmiller@gmail.com> wrote:

Yep Skip, another waste of everyo= ne's time and non-helpful response ("wrong").   The fact is I have done= exactly the same thing, VFR Flight, needed an IFR clearance to VFR conditio= ns without a flight plan.  My last was in the Legacy at night with a la= yer on top of the destination airport.  I asked approach for a IFR desc= ent clearance from 4000 to 2000 through the clouds, got it, broke out and ca= ncelled, landed VFR.  In the last 5 years I've found controllers extrem= ely willing to be helpful to VFR pilots who ask for assistance.

Paul<= br>Legacy

On 2013-01-= 21, at 12:37 PM, "Skip Slater" <skipslater@verizon.net> wrote:

> Possibly IFR to VFR on to= p, then cancel.  I've done that a couple of times to take off from coas= tal airports with a marine layer that only extended a few miles inland. &nbs= p;Don't need a flight plan to do that.
>
> Skip Slater
>

 

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