X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:44:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-pa0-f50.google.com ([209.85.220.50] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6024533 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:27:13 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.50; envelope-from=billhogarty@gmail.com Received: by mail-pa0-f50.google.com with SMTP id hz10so4341666pad.9 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:26:39 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.68.192.66 with SMTP id he2mr43377666pbc.112.1358893599706; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:26:39 -0800 (PST) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.5.147] (ip-64-134-236-248.public.wayport.net. [64.134.236.248]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id wg3sm11459788pbc.28.2013.01.22.14.26.37 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:26:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [LML] IFR Flight Plans References: From: Bill Hogarty Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0186CD65-E16F-440D-8B80-773479FCC5D8 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:26:34 -0800 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-0186CD65-E16F-440D-8B80-773479FCC5D8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii IFR flight plans are required for the safe, orderly, and expeditious control= of IFR air traffic. (sound familiar? ). VFR flight plans are primarily to provide search and r= escue, if needed. "IFR climb to VFR on Top" is an IFR flight plan which ATC seems very relucta= nt to approve these days. No requirement to cancel when reaching " on top" = as long as VFR can be maintained. One point to be clarified is that a VFR pilot can always request an IFR clea= rance from an ATC facility when in flight ( i.e., if encountering bad Wx)...= .... BUT granting an IFR clearance is always at the discretion of ATC. (work= load permitting) Plan ahead and avoid the dreaded phone call Regards, Bill H On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:24 AM, Ron Galbraith wrote: > The only reason IFR flight plans are required in the first place Is for se= arch and rescue. The controllers could care less about a flight plan. When= a controller "may" ask u for the rest of the flight plan it's not for him u= nless its a long drawn out route,and your option as a pilot to provide it. = For IFR pop up through a cloud layer with intent to go VFR is an approved pr= ocedure. You are on an IFR clearance and if you want to talk semantics then= technically you are on an IFR flight plan. I was an ATC for 24 years. Not= something I just think I know. The only thing a controller is interested i= n is what type plane you are in and the route you want to go. I once asked a= good ol boy his type aircraft and equipment. His response was......well, t= hanks for asking. I have a 1977 Cessna 172 with the Nav II pack. I asked h= is destination and he or proceeded to tell me he was going to his sister in l= aws wedding in eastern Nevada. Imagine a long slow Texan drawl. All I wa= nted was. Cessna 172 slant Alpha. I asked his cruising altitude and he sa= id. "Well, I'm just going to go over these mountains up ahead if I can clea= r them". =20 > Not sure what ever happened to mister pilot , but rumor has it he was kill= ed in a new pickup truck. Last words were. "Hey bubba, watch this"...... >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:41 AM, "Skip Slater" wrote:= >=20 >> Don, >> Care to expound on your one word statement? If this is wrong, someone= needs to tell the controllers who have approved it each time I've requeste= d it. >> Skip >> =20 >> =20 >> wrong >>=20 >> On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Skip Slater wro= te: >> Possibly IFR to VFR on top, then cancel. I've done that a couple of times= to take off from coastal airports with a marine layer that only extended a f= ew miles inland. Don't need a flight plan to do that. >>=20 >> Skip Slater --Apple-Mail-0186CD65-E16F-440D-8B80-773479FCC5D8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
IFR flight plans are requi= red for the safe, orderly, and expeditious control of IFR air traffic.
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(sound familiar? ).   VFR flight plans are primarily to provide se= arch and rescue, if needed.

"IFR climb to VFR on To= p" is an IFR flight plan which ATC seems very reluctant to approve these day= s.  No requirement to cancel when reaching " on top"  as long as V= FR can be maintained.

One point to be clarified is t= hat a VFR pilot can always request an IFR clearance from an ATC facility whe= n in flight ( i.e., if encountering bad Wx)....... BUT granting an IFR clear= ance is always at the discretion of ATC. (workload permitting)
Plan ahead and avoid the dreaded phone call

=
Regards, Bill H



On Jan 22, 2013, a= t 9:24 AM, Ron Galbraith <cfi@instr= uctor.net> wrote:

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The only reason IFR flight plans are required in the first place Is fo= r search and rescue.  The controllers could care less about a flight pl= an.  When a controller "may" ask u for the rest of the flight plan it's= not for him unless its a long drawn out route,and your option as a pilot to= provide it.  For IFR pop up through a cloud layer with intent to go VFR= is an approved procedure.  You are on an IFR clearance and if you want= to talk semantics then technically you are on an IFR flight plan.  I w= as an ATC for 24 years.  Not something I just think I know.   The o= nly thing a controller is interested in is what type plane you are in and th= e route you want to go.  I once asked a good ol boy his type aircraft a= nd equipment.   His response was......well, thanks for asking.   I= have a 1977 Cessna 172 with the Nav II pack.  I asked his destination a= nd he or proceeded to tell me he was going to his sister in laws wedding in e= astern Nevada.   Imagine a long slow Texan drawl.   All I wanted w= as.  Cessna 172 slant Alpha.   I asked his cruising altitude and h= e said.  "Well, I'm just going to go over these mountains up ahead if I= can clear them".  
Not sure what ever happened to mister pil= ot , but rumor has it he was killed in a new pickup truck.  Last words w= ere.  "Hey bubba, watch this"......

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:41 AM, "Skip Slater" <skipslater@verizon.net> wrote:

Don,
   Care to expound on your on= e word=20 statement?  If this is wrong, someone needs to tell the controllers who= =20 have approved it each time I've requested it.
   Skip
 
 
wrong

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Skip Slater <skipslater@verizon.net> wrote:
Possibly IFR to VFR on top, then c= ancel. I've done that a=20 couple of times to take off from coastal airports with a marine layer that= =20 only extended a few miles inland. Don't need a flight plan to do that.

Skip Slater=20
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