X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:44:23 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.203] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6024575 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:34:20 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.94.237.203; envelope-from=lancair1@bellsouth.net Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm2.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 22:33:42 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.56] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 22:33:42 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 22:33:42 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 340076.81154.bm@smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: P8a9ATQVM1mx_ssB6kSO0bWlMGF2idyhoL3ZzDnAxtbkHYm zIqd_nk3sTt4PgjA2uzJyN47W0jSq.ajKbqNQmDNvNTfRb8GFY5NkMur9Del uIO2BzpDGtECha_h2DIzpU75GNPJsUEaH0BIfG2i2wCW.CXihF8BBBKQIO2w yxi64nFWU.a46ZRFOUF5miAJyFwmRSmCrZhf3NMbGedVZ5joNhf2TqEhgUer uEKzUBJsFVGn89u0ApfbFyQmPvDkfUARimFshOXkKng3rgWZ4knojNFRRO85 1lxKV6pSKm6ZYFElOptEwK.dXW1gCAvCqzsi.uD_A.TiGwnCiX4VaG.EON3P Ulnqlc38gw1h5DO5f3jjWkKV6fHpeBU8G3so0U1NkXNCV1cJpru2es2ZWEXS _o703gSxsvg4S.z4_oy6NkF6YCJWQ1BDS65Jh52p1RFAGtlu.KkkMjnYZshn qZpOfOL4laIZ9A1LG_Oo_JnyQeBWhW4KwEqyf X-Yahoo-SMTP: DusPlfGswBAl7wtqFzQUR2IcVv1i0z4gnKT0Em7VqxiCxIg- Received: from DougDesktop (lancair1@74.178.200.189 with login) by smtp109.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2013 14:33:42 -0800 PST From: "Doug" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: WPR13FA076 X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:33:10 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <009001cdf8f0$769fdc40$63df94c0$@bellsouth.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0091_01CDF8C6.8DCA7080" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Content-Language: en-us Thread-Index: AQJVvS8jELtixfqnlq6Kpif6LSsrtJdGZOOQ This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01CDF8C6.8DCA7080 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Perhaps we are all talking about the same thing, just with different semantics? The way I understood this situation is as follows: When flying VFR but finding I need to ascend through a layer, I too ask for "IFR to VFR on top" routinely. They will usually ask I the plane is equipped for IFR flight, ask type, etc., but then give me a squawk and a clearance. True, I did not file a flight plan in advance, but I interpret what just occurred is that they essentially put one in the system for me. I am now on an IFR clearance/plan, which I need to cancel once I am in the clear. Either way, a great option with usually very cooperative controllers, at least in my area of the world. Douglas W. Johnson, MD PA Don, No, it's you who is wrong. IFR to VFR on top is a common clearance, especially in places such as southern CA where an early morning and late evening marine layer is common. I've done it so many times I've lost count, not that anybody was counting in the first place. Raise your awareness. ------=_NextPart_000_0091_01CDF8C6.8DCA7080 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Perhaps we are all talking about the same thing, just with different = semantics?

The way I understood this situation is as follows: When flying VFR = but finding I need to ascend through a layer, I too ask for “IFR = to VFR on top” routinely. They will usually ask I the plane is = equipped for IFR flight, ask type, etc., but then give me a squawk and a = clearance. True, I did not file a flight plan in advance, but I = interpret what just occurred is that they essentially put one in the = system for me. I am now on an IFR clearance/plan, which I need to cancel = once I am in the clear.

Either way, a great option with usually very cooperative controllers, = at least in my area of the world.

Douglas W. Johnson, MD PA

Don,

No, it’s you who = is wrong. IFR to VFR on top is a common clearance, especially in = places such as southern CA where an early morning and late evening = marine layer is common. I’ve done it so many times = I’ve lost count, not that anybody was counting in the first = place. Raise your awareness.

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