X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:47:40 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from oproxy11-pub.bluehost.com ([173.254.64.10] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with SMTP id 6024312 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:39:54 -0500 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=173.254.64.10; envelope-from=danny@n107sd.com Received: (qmail 24105 invoked by uid 0); 22 Jan 2013 20:39:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO host295.hostmonster.com) (66.147.240.95) by oproxy11.bluehost.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2013 20:39:17 -0000 Received: from [98.233.210.64] (port=3472 helo=DannyLaptop) by host295.hostmonster.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1Txkcl-0007Oi-00 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:39:16 -0700 From: "Danny" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: WPR13FA076 X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:39:09 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <00db01cdf8e0$88d4c2a0$9a7e47e0$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CDF8B6.9FFEBAA0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac343qDuRVouCYj/SqO2EeSbivYdAgAAXkcg Content-Language: en-us X-Identified-User: {3234:host295.hostmonster.com:wunderwe:n107sd.com} {sentby:smtp auth 98.233.210.64 authed with danny@n107sd.com} This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CDF8B6.9FFEBAA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Don, No, it=92s you who is wrong. IFR to VFR on top is a common clearance, especially in places such as southern CA where an early morning and late evening marine layer is common. I=92ve done it so many times I=92ve = lost count, not that anybody was counting in the first place. Raise your awareness. =20 Danny LNC2-360 N 38=B0 43' 25.7" W 77=B0 30' 38.6" Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool. =20 From: Don Karich [mailto:donkarich@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 3:25 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: WPR13FA076 =20 My one word response was a clue that you definitely need to discuss this with a CFII. You are soo wrong On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Paul Miller = wrote: Yep Skip, another waste of everyone's time and non-helpful response ("wrong"). The fact is I have done exactly the same thing, VFR Flight, needed an IFR clearance to VFR conditions without a flight plan. My = last was in the Legacy at night with a layer on top of the destination = airport. I asked approach for a IFR descent clearance from 4000 to 2000 through = the clouds, got it, broke out and cancelled, landed VFR. In the last 5 = years I've found controllers extremely willing to be helpful to VFR pilots who = ask for assistance. Paul Legacy On 2013-01-21, at 12:37 PM, "Skip Slater" = wrote: > Possibly IFR to VFR on top, then cancel. I've done that a couple of = times to take off from coastal airports with a marine layer that only extended = a few miles inland. Don't need a flight plan to do that. > > Skip Slater > > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00DC_01CDF8B6.9FFEBAA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Don,

No, it’s you who is wrong.=A0 IFR to VFR on top is a common = clearance, especially in places such as southern CA where an early = morning and late evening marine layer is common.=A0 I’ve done it so many times = I’ve lost count, not that anybody was counting in the first = place.=A0 Raise your = awareness.

 

Danny

=

LNC2-360<= /p>

N 38=B0 43' = 25.7"

W 77=B0 30' = 38.6"

Nothing is foolproof to a = sufficiently talented fool.

 

From: Don Karich [mailto:donkarich@gmail.com] =
Sent: Tuesday, = January 22, 2013 3:25 PM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = WPR13FA076

 

My one word = response was a clue that you definitely need to discuss this with a = CFII. You are soo wrong

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Paul Miller = <pjdmiller@gmail.com> = wrote:

Yep Skip, = another waste of everyone's time and non-helpful response = ("wrong").   The fact is I have done exactly the same = thing, VFR Flight, needed an IFR clearance to VFR conditions without a = flight plan.  My last was in the Legacy at night with a layer on = top of the destination airport.  I asked approach for a IFR descent = clearance from 4000 to 2000 through the clouds, got it, broke out and = cancelled, landed VFR.  In the last 5 years I've found controllers = extremely willing to be helpful to VFR pilots who ask for = assistance.

Paul
Legacy

On 2013-01-21, at 12:37 PM, "Skip = Slater" <skipslater@verizon.net> = wrote:

> Possibly IFR to VFR on top, then cancel.  I've = done that a couple of times to take off from coastal airports with a = marine layer that only extended a few miles inland.  Don't need a = flight plan to do that.
>
> Skip = Slater
>

 

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