X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm3-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.94.237.136] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6024128 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:04:04 -0500 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.94.237.136; envelope-from=ralphlove@stanfordalumni.org Received: from [66.94.237.196] by nm3.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 19:03:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.221.48] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 19:03:28 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 22 Jan 2013 19:03:28 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 928191.87244.bm@smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: ffhdym8VM1k2040CAx2e88h__rqYkimRx9fhXoHN_SVTpAG Xoprj7dMBkfOz5eoca8lSH7pFP6UKxf6rtasbqMunBw.r1GESkZDtMp5vI7a uHhDv6TszB7x4r0arlWarASj4fpHlvzJxWH8oHe7fGzTQMxL5xBiadRi.NIy XPrSuhl0NpIVJCPME8QrOHIKm28ba3WiP5EXdVhXD2f6dT6Z403n0SJUqtx4 biUo7kRA9GFZVzvFTe4qq_OjFMaf3OS4DlD9P1UJDIzKXW69rWe5dRVZTvbP ZgtXRpjcGQNPbq0L15LjrNCTCbaRAgQn1p2gOtICIJpp4lDueqI2Tj5WuhHA zNkp5EsgxrC3b.ieWoo8UZu3ZOQsM80tkdi8kZ4GdnWNzDr0oG4DGiKlagkK F6TCAiuAbQ5Yy86S6QiHf2Z7EYQfipiQ3G.Kfd0caG29GauuME3.V63ebOmU X1U0fkpP1WB0wS0jPN3xx6AIW5TuaC_hAcQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: O0s9NnaswBCimploNHufwcJQi58B5NjMy.C2WAjfZjgmjJOd Received: from [10.0.1.5] (ralphlove@67.188.62.229 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jan 2013 11:03:28 -0800 PST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IFR to VFR on top References: From: Ralph Love Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7781AB03-871E-44CE-80D4-6512FFA5EDA9 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (10A523) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <062720F0-94FE-48AD-9672-2704762F1DF1@stanfordalumni.org> X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:03:28 -0800 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-7781AB03-871E-44CE-80D4-6512FFA5EDA9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When you ask for an IFR clearance, they never ask if you are IFR qualified a= nd current. They just give you the clearance. The same is true with IFR to V= FR on top, but legally you better be qualified and current Pink Panfher Ralph Love On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:24 AM, "Skip Slater" wrote: > "VFR to VFR-on-top, where you wanted the benefits of an IFR clearance but s= ome of the freedom of VFR conditions, was a common clearance used in militar= y scrambles back when I was a military controller. Is this clearance still a= vailable today?" > =20 > All I can tell you is that I've not had a problem getting one when I neede= d it. I've gotten them from for a couple of departures from Orange County a= nd Santa Barbara airports when they've had marine layers on the coast. With= tops around 2000' and CAVU conditions just a few miles inland, it's a good o= ption. I just request it from clearance delivery and they give me an IFR de= parture with a clearance limit. Once I'm on top and am leaving their Class= C, I just cancel and proceed VFR. > =20 > When you think about it, it's really no different than flying somewhere VFR= and finding the weather has closed in at your destination. You call approa= ch, request an IFR clearance to the airport and they give you one. Not some= thing you'd normally do, but it is an option. > =20 > Skip --Apple-Mail-7781AB03-871E-44CE-80D4-6512FFA5EDA9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
When you ask for an IFR clearance, they never ask if you are IFR qualified and current. They just give you the clearance. The same is true with IFR to VFR on top, but legally you better be qualified and current

Pink Panfher
Ralph Love

On Jan 22, 2013, at 9:24 AM, "Skip Slater" <skipslater@verizon.net> wrote:

"VFR to VFR-on-top, where you wanted the benefits of an IFR clearance but some of the freedom of VFR conditions, was a common clearance used in military scrambles back when I was a military controller. Is this clearance still available today?"
 
All I can tell you is that I've not had a problem getting one when I needed it.  I've gotten them from for a couple of departures from Orange County and Santa Barbara airports when they've had marine layers on the coast.  With tops around 2000' and CAVU conditions just a few miles inland, it's a good option.  I just request it from clearance delivery and they give me an IFR departure with a clearance limit.   Once I'm on top and am leaving their Class C, I just cancel and proceed VFR.
 
When you think about it, it's really no different than flying somewhere VFR and finding the weather has closed in at your destination.  You call approach, request an IFR clearance to the airport and they give you one.  Not something you'd normally do, but it is an option.
 
Skip
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