X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 15:25:25 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com ([209.85.223.176] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6024189 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 14:32:41 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.223.176; envelope-from=donkarich@gmail.com Received: by mail-ie0-f176.google.com with SMTP id 13so12306417iea.21 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.91.169 with SMTP id cf9mr12827178igb.44.1358883127046; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:32:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.71.74 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:32:06 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.71.74 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:32:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:32:06 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: WPR13FA076 From: Don Karich X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f3b9dad14321e04d3e5a27e --e89a8f3b9dad14321e04d3e5a27e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My understanding is every flight into IFR conditions must have a clearance beginning with"cleared to"and end with"canceling IFR" On Jan 22, 2013 9:25 AM, "Ron Galbraith" wrote: > The only reason IFR flight plans are required in the first place Is for > search and rescue. The controllers could care less about a flight plan. > When a controller "may" ask u for the rest of the flight plan it's not for > him unless its a long drawn out route,and your option as a pilot to provide > it. For IFR pop up through a cloud layer with intent to go VFR is an > approved procedure. You are on an IFR clearance and if you want to talk > semantics then technically you are on an IFR flight plan. I was an ATC for > 24 years. Not something I just think I know. The only thing a controller > is interested in is what type plane you are in and the route you want to > go. I once asked a good ol boy his type aircraft and equipment. His > response was......well, thanks for asking. I have a 1977 Cessna 172 with > the Nav II pack. I asked his destination and he or proceeded to tell me he > was going to his sister in laws wedding in eastern Nevada. Imagine a long > slow Texan drawl. All I wanted was. Cessna 172 slant Alpha. I asked > his cruising altitude and he said. "Well, I'm just going to go over these > mountains up ahead if I can clear them". > Not sure what ever happened to mister pilot , but rumor has it he was > killed in a new pickup truck. Last words were. "Hey bubba, watch > this"...... > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:41 AM, "Skip Slater" wrote: > > Don, > Care to expound on your one word statement? If this is wrong, someone > needs to tell the controllers who have approved it each time I've requested > it. > Skip > > > wrong > > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Skip Slater wrote: > >> Possibly IFR to VFR on top, then cancel. I've done that a couple of times >> to take off from coastal airports with a marine layer that only extended a >> few miles inland. Don't need a flight plan to do that. >> >> Skip Slater > > --e89a8f3b9dad14321e04d3e5a27e Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My understanding is every flight into IFR conditions must have a clearan= ce beginning with"cleared to"and end with"canceling IFR"= ;

On Jan 22, 2013 9:25 AM, "Ron Galbraith&quo= t; <cfi@instructor.net> wro= te:
The only reason IFR flight plans are required in the= first place Is for search and rescue. =A0The controllers could care less a= bout a flight plan. =A0When a controller "may" ask u for the rest= of the flight plan it's not for him unless its a long drawn out route,= and your option as a pilot to provide it. =A0For IFR pop up through a cloud= layer with intent to go VFR is an approved procedure. =A0You are on an IFR= clearance and if you want to talk semantics then technically you are on an= IFR flight plan. =A0I was an ATC for 24 years. =A0Not something I just thi= nk I know. =A0 The only thing a controller is interested in is what type pl= ane you are in and the route you want to go. =A0I once asked a good ol boy = his type aircraft and equipment. =A0 His response was......well, thanks for= asking. =A0 I have a 1977 Cessna 172 with the Nav II pack. =A0I asked his = destination and he or proceeded to tell me he was going to his sister in la= ws wedding in eastern Nevada. =A0 Imagine a long slow Texan drawl. =A0 All = I wanted was. =A0Cessna 172 slant Alpha. =A0 I asked his cruising altitude = and he said. =A0"Well, I'm just going to go over these mountains u= p ahead if I can clear them". =A0
Not sure what ever happened to mister pilot , but rumor has it he was = killed in a new pickup truck. =A0Last words were. =A0"Hey bubba, watch= this"......

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2013,= at 7:41 AM, "Skip Slater" <skipslater@verizon.net> wrote:

Don,
=A0=A0 Care to expound on your one word=20 statement?=A0 If this is wrong, someone needs to tell the controllers who= =20 have approved it each time I've requested it.
=A0=A0 Skip
=A0
=A0
wrong

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Skip Slater <skipslater@verizon.net> wrote:
Possibly IFR to VFR on top, then canc= el. I've done that a=20 couple of times to take off from coastal airports with a marine layer tha= t=20 only extended a few miles inland. Don't need a flight plan to do that= .

Skip Slater=20
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