X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:24:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mout.gmx.net ([74.208.4.200] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6023547 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:05:49 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.208.4.200; envelope-from=cfi@instructor.net Received: from mailout-us.mail.com ([172.19.198.49]) by mrigmx.server.lan (mrigmxus001) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LzLJF-1StrRL2p0r-014RVJ for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 16:05:14 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Jan 2013 15:05:14 -0000 Received: from mobile-166-147-113-067.mycingular.net (EHLO [10.133.188.94]) [166.147.113.67] by mail.gmx.com (mp-us009) with SMTP; 22 Jan 2013 10:05:14 -0500 X-Authenticated: #73491717 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19pOapeEappRdWPTqKAnm5ZrY4HV7OIAaw7BYeO7a EXzlwUw4D6Bgaa Subject: Re: [LML] Re: WPR13FA076 References: From: Ron Galbraith Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7AAF1C30-F63E-46EB-B869-3C80F7532A70 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (10A551) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <8C0D114F-5DE0-4C2E-A95A-934F4F1B683C@instructor.net> X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:05:13 -0500 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 --Apple-Mail-7AAF1C30-F63E-46EB-B869-3C80F7532A70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The only reason IFR flight plans are required in the first place Is for sear= ch and rescue. The controllers could care less about a flight plan. When a= controller "may" ask u for the rest of the flight plan it's not for him unl= ess its a long drawn out route,and your option as a pilot to provide it. Fo= r IFR pop up through a cloud layer with intent to go VFR is an approved proc= edure. You are on an IFR clearance and if you want to talk semantics then t= echnically you are on an IFR flight plan. I was an ATC for 24 years. Not s= omething I just think I know. The only thing a controller is interested in= is what type plane you are in and the route you want to go. I once asked a= good ol boy his type aircraft and equipment. His response was......well, t= hanks for asking. I have a 1977 Cessna 172 with the Nav II pack. I asked h= is destination and he or proceeded to tell me he was going to his sister in l= aws wedding in eastern Nevada. Imagine a long slow Texan drawl. All I wa= nted was. Cessna 172 slant Alpha. I asked his cruising altitude and he sa= id. "Well, I'm just going to go over these mountains up ahead if I can clea= r them". =20 Not sure what ever happened to mister pilot , but rumor has it he was killed= in a new pickup truck. Last words were. "Hey bubba, watch this"...... Sent from my iPhone On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:41 AM, "Skip Slater" wrote: > Don, > Care to expound on your one word statement? If this is wrong, someone n= eeds to tell the controllers who have approved it each time I've requested i= t. > Skip > =20 > =20 > wrong >=20 > On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Skip Slater wrot= e: >> Possibly IFR to VFR on top, then cancel. I've done that a couple of times= to take off from coastal airports with a marine layer that only extended a f= ew miles inland. Don't need a flight plan to do that. >>=20 >> Skip Slater --Apple-Mail-7AAF1C30-F63E-46EB-B869-3C80F7532A70 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

The only reason IFR flight plans are r= equired in the first place Is for search and rescue. The controllers c= ould care less about a flight plan. When a controller "may" ask u for t= he rest of the flight plan it's not for him unless its a long drawn out rout= e,and your option as a pilot to provide it. For IFR pop up through a c= loud layer with intent to go VFR is an approved procedure. You are on a= n IFR clearance and if you want to talk semantics then technically you are o= n an IFR flight plan. I was an ATC for 24 years. Not something I= just think I know. The only thing a controller is interested in is w= hat type plane you are in and the route you want to go. I once asked a= good ol boy his type aircraft and equipment. His response was......w= ell, thanks for asking. I have a 1977 Cessna 172 with the Nav II pack= . I asked his destination and he or proceeded to tell me he was going t= o his sister in laws wedding in eastern Nevada. Imagine a long slow T= exan drawl. All I wanted was. Cessna 172 slant Alpha. I a= sked his cruising altitude and he said. "Well, I'm just going to go ov= er these mountains up ahead if I can clear them".

Not sure w= hat ever happened to mister pilot , but rumor has it he was killed in a new p= ickup truck. Last words were. "Hey bubba, watch this"......
<= br>Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:41 AM, "Skip Slat= er" <skipslater@verizon.net= > wrote:

Don,

Care to expound on your on= e word=20 statement? If this is wrong, someone needs to tell the controllers who= =20 have approved it each time I've requested it.

Skip

wrong

On Mon, Jan 21, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Skip Slater <skipslater@verizon.net> wrote:

Possibly IFR to VFR on top, then c= ancel. I've done that a=20 couple of times to take off from coastal airports with a marine layer that= =20 only extended a few miles inland. Don't need a flight plan to do that.

Skip Slater=20

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