X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:24:58 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-f179.google.com ([209.85.223.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6023599 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 10:31:48 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.223.179; envelope-from=donkarich@gmail.com Received: by mail-ie0-f179.google.com with SMTP id k14so11782383iea.24 for ; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:31:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.50.57.232 with SMTP id l8mr11987356igq.54.1358868672360; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:31:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.71.74 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:31:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:31:12 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: IFR to VFR on top From: Don Karich X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93411b183304b04d3e24431 --14dae93411b183304b04d3e24431 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 My understanding is that an IFR to VFR on top requires an instrument clearance and an instrument rated pilot. this is not a form of VFR. This is not considered fllight following. Once on top in VFR conditions, the clearance can be cancelled by advising ATC that you are now in VFR conditions and my safely proceed under VFR conditions. Often you can obtain VFR flight following after cancellation of your Instrument flight plan. On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Hugh Bergeron wrote: > VFR to VFR-on-top, where you wanted the benefits of an IFR clearance but > some of the freedom of VFR conditions, was a common clearance used in > military scrambles back when I was a military controller. Is this > clearance still available today? > > Hugh > > ------------------------------ > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:41:14 -0500 > From: skipslater@verizon.net > Subject: [LML] IFR to VFR on top > > > Here's a paragraph from a recent *Flying* article on this topic: > > "You can also skip the filing step and request a VFR-on-top clearance from > ground control or clearance by simply requesting an IFR climb to > VFR-on-top. You can expect your clearance to have a clearance limit at some > fix (an intersection or VOR, most likely) as well as initial and final > altitude assignments (i.e., climb maintain 3,000, expect 5,000 in five > minutes). The clearance will likely also contain information about what to > expect if VFR conditions have not been reached once the fix has been > reached." > > Here's a link to the entire article: > http://www.flyingmag.com/training/instrument-flight-rules/ifr-vfr-top > --14dae93411b183304b04d3e24431 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My understanding is that an=A0IFR to VFR on top requires an instrument clea= rance and an instrument rated pilot. this is not a form of VFR. This is not= considered fllight following. Once on top in VFR conditions, the clearance= can be cancelled by advising ATC that you are now in VFR conditions and my= safely proceed under VFR conditions. Often you can obtain VFR flight follo= wing after=A0cancellation of your Instrument flight plan.

On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 7:02 AM, Hugh Bergeron <= span dir=3D"ltr"><hpbergeron@hotmail.com> wrote:
VFR to VFR-on-top, where you wanted the benefits of an IFR= clearance but some of the freedom of VFR conditions, was a common clearanc= e used in military scrambles back when I was a military controller. =A0Is t= his clearance still available today?=20

Hugh

To: lml@lancairo= nline.net
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 07:41:14 -0500
From: skipslater@verizon.net=
Subject: [LML] IFR to VFR on top=20


Here's a paragraph from a recent Flying article on this topic:
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"You can also skip the filing step and reque= st a VFR-on-top clearance from ground control or clearance by simply reques= ting an IFR climb to VFR-on-top. You can expect your clearance to have a cl= earance limit at some fix (an intersection or VOR, most likely) as well as = initial and final altitude assignments (i.e., climb maintain 3,000, expect = 5,000 in five minutes). The clearance will likely also contain information = about what to expect if VFR conditions have not been reached once the fix h= as been reached."
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