X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 07:38:42 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm17-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.34] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6021396 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 06:58:49 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.34; envelope-from=casey.gary@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm17.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 11:58:13 -0000 Received: from [98.138.89.240] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 11:58:13 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 21 Jan 2013 11:58:13 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 756548.53875.bm@omp1013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 86273 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Jan 2013 11:58:13 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=SwSKSWFjjBrVtOJRpsJnPdH1LrldOwp+n4ki8eruhDu/rm/qN8SpT4Ln8ZqA9YmPVFHSR7Nq+QjECCULOpQXF5LWCtZPuyTHg08075dji4kLlnRV6dzfTfhODa8hn31GOyUO4SJc77BuUCL8XDEFeyqeOdTnYKzIts3qgdWROnQ=; X-YMail-OSG: wJJo8v4VM1lKb5HblhvXr41btRXLF2AaeLG7HQOPwRzh0G_ AT4QiQarXcpcANDttrFf60lfD9nxjCOsCDOHBdMFgtL7RwvGsgLdcFbEqd7T coxrxaeg2Qnpp62d3kV4l30RHXQtLI0F3_9gxCQnLCPuPPpLZhon3zoQk5XJ PEbEAU0bigrAU1e10jjvrT8vbyCOsHMipIOjG_T8nDaB3bxE5Dx_LGb8xbN1 lcQQYrumzkyb1f2tvRWr2RQu8Ty53Kka7M2n67m6kGSUNPfG1AdPl4JM4bu. iZlSQfC0cmBMvUAzk82iwhU30gL6YDOT3O_S1ZAWD.EC0MZA9KMIZJlMg3Gq sbA3.zBiKsaaQd9mBts5KwNhQwYlvzQgfauiIm.k01guIDOTG1bduvWe0xuq bMDfOK90Qm_iplCAx49rgQsyRktu8xmJArfsBRXznq1Ho73KsFqljreNbSoY tPfq_RQ8evjZBV8cee6NziD5HpQWt7dIWWmOjQMVr2HTq.3bLu6U1o8vAn_Y jDamTmUWfS_hrI7vyF8bqoaFPvJpgJhsnY_061C4IFjeugd6cby8zQcEkSvN yIJcbiCZNUsKpxCcfykgzxQJKVmvIc.e_S8H94fL_wGD0RIsjyvxJpTmp16l 1Kp1D8Kf9Jjgm9.yyZBLWa9ptgTs- Received: from [71.218.241.115] by web120105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:58:13 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,T25lIGJpdCBvZiBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiBsZWZ0IG91dCAtIHdhcyB0aGUgcGlsb3QgaW5zdHJ1bWVudC1wcm9maWNpZW50P8KgIElmIG5vdCwgdGhlIGFpcmNyYWZ0IGNvdWxkbid0IGZpeCB3aGF0IHdhcyB3cm9uZy7CoCBJZiBzbywgaXQgY291bGQgaGF2ZSBiZWVuIGFuIG9mdC1yZXBlYXRlZCBwcm9jZWR1cmUgb2YgYXR0ZW1wdGluZyB0b8Kgc25lYWvCoHVwIHRocm91Z2ggdGhlIG1hcmluZSBsYXllci7CoCBJZiB0aGF0IHdhcyB0aGUgY2FzZSwgdGhlbiB3aGF0IHdlbnQgd3Jvbmc_wqAgSSBoZWFyZCBvbmMBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.130.496 References: X-Original-Message-ID: <1358769493.71082.YahooMailNeo@web120105.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:58:13 -0800 (PST) From: Gary Casey Reply-To: Gary Casey Subject: Re: WPR13FA076 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1460980517-893994581-1358769493=:71082" ---1460980517-893994581-1358769493=:71082 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable One bit of information left out - was the pilot instrument-proficient?=A0 I= f not, the aircraft couldn't fix what was wrong.=A0 If so, it could have be= en an oft-repeated procedure of attempting to=A0sneak=A0up through the mari= ne layer.=A0 If that was the case, then what went wrong?=A0 I heard once th= at fully 1/3 of all the IVPT's=A0have crashed.=A0=A0Can that be?=0AGary=A0= =0A=A0=0AThis is the December LIVPT fatal in San Diego. =0A=0Ahttp://www.nt= sb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=3D20121229X60421&key=3D1=0A=0AIMC -- = no flight plan...... Thoughts?=0A=0AJeff=0A ---1460980517-893994581-1358769493=:71082 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

One bit of inf= ormation left out - was the pilot instrument-proficient? If not, the = aircraft couldn't fix what was wrong. If so, it could have been an of= t-repeated procedure of attempting to sneak up through the marine= layer. If that was the case, then what went wrong? I heard onc= e that fully 1/3 of all the IVPT's have crashed. Can that b= e?

Gary

This is the December LIV= PT fatal in San Diego.

http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id=3D2012122= 9X60421&key=3D1

IMC -- no flight plan...... Thoughts?=

Jeff

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