X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 13:22:08 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.32] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6013312 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:51:38 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.62.32; envelope-from=rob@robmurawski.com Received: from omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.51]) by qmta03.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oFTM1k00A16LCl053Fr3lV; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:51:03 +0000 Received: from wintermute.rob-home.local. ([76.120.176.49]) by omta06.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id oFr21k00W14KV5G3SFr2nG; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:51:03 +0000 Received: from LAPSE (wintermute.rob-home.local [192.168.0.5]) by wintermute.rob-home.local. (8.14.5/8.14.5) with SMTP id r0FFom2J023542 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:50:49 -0500 From: "Rob Murawski" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Max Gross 360 LNC2 X-Original-Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 10:51:10 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <006701cdf338$25869eb0$7093dc10$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Ac3zHlHEnLacnmXYQySHCsQ/V/cXVAAFfmwA Content-Language: en-us X-boxedgarlic-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner-ID: r0FFom2J023542 X-boxedgarlic-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-boxedgarlic-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=0.213, required 6, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.00, TVD_RCVD_SINGLE 1.21) X-boxedgarlic-MailScanner-From: rob@robmurawski.com MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1358869851.15149@tTnm6663GU7W470Dg9hCqg With all of this discussion on max gross weights for the Lancair 320/360, what is the engineering/design decisions that has gone into increasing the gross weight? The reason I ask is that, I assume, the factory has done some type of engineering analysis. The factory increase in gross weight document is: http://www.lancair.com/media/builderupdates/235-320-360/Non-PDF-Docs/WeightI ncrease320-360.pdf Here, it states that the new main gear overcenter link must be used (Standard in kits produced after 10/93), the stall speed will be increased, and the allowable G limits are reduced to +4.0/-2.0. (Those reduced G limits aren't normally a problem for me) The maximum landing weight has not been changed. In Mac McClellan's blog http://macsblog.com/2011/08/when-a-kit-aircraft-is-not-a-kit-aircraft/ he asserts that all changes to a kit make each one a one-off. He refers to Dick (Van's) VanGrunsven's article about the engineering that goes into setting the RV-10's gross weight: http://macsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/94-99_Handbook_v6.pdf While Van (nor I) dispute that there are airplanes flying around (successfully) with higher gross weights, I'm concerned that I do not have the engineering background to justify any gross weight other than to use what the factory provides. Vans asserts that the built-in engineering margin belongs to the designer and you can't have it. In particular, does the G loading become so low that I'd have to be concerned about turbulence breaking my wings off? I have no idea. Granted, the 360 has a lot of factory options. And I agree that no two are probably alike. But I feel a little better while building mine that I'm sticking to something that a real aeronautical engineer designed and approved. (That is meant that *I* do not have the aeronautical engineering skills to make that determination, I can't speak for anyone else) Thoughts? I have no idea what mine will weigh when finished. But I know the girlfriend likes to pack heavy. Might be time to look for a 4-place... -Rob (Lancair 360 MKII, 15% completed)