X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 02:28:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.40] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6009318 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:55:25 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.40; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.138]) by imr-ma02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 9CA2F1C000EF9 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:47:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mnc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mnc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.106.205]) by mtaomg-da02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 70BA3E000086 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:47:41 -0500 (EST) References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Fw: Spins In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CFBF2594C2134F_2294_3C076_webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37288-STANDARD Received: from 12.110.229.82 by webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.147) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:47:41 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CFBF2594B88DCB-2294-12226@webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.110.229.82] X-Original-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:47:41 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:386742624:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338a50f1d9fd0b11 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CFBF2594C2134F_2294_3C076_webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Wolfie, what kind of Lancair have you built and flown? Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Wolfgang To: lml Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 3:36 pm Subject: [LML] Fw: Spins Jon is making some false assumptions about my position. I advocate getting to the right answers about a problem, not just stay away= from it because you're afraid of it. Other manufacturers have identified their problems and characterized them. =20 The main problem here is that Lancair never fully investigated the aerodyma= nics in that part of the envelope. Their focus was on all out performance and not much on corners of the fligh= t envelope . . . shame. They didn't even bother to advance the idea of stall strips to help mitigat= e the problem. =20 Wolfgang =20 =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 =20 From: JON ADDISON =20 =20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 =20 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:17 PM =20 Subject: Spins =20 =20 At the risk of being redundant... but in the interest of saving lives and= keeping our insurance from going any higher... =20 =20 I'll underling Pete's experience (from the finest TPS in the free world) = and Lynn's experience. =20 =20 At my Naval TPS class in 1973, our spin lecturer, spun the F4 over 100 ti= mes and then one day it went flat for no apparent reason and never came out= . So when he warned us to immediately recover in the A7 if it started t= o depart.... that's exactly what we did. Ejection seat, custom fitte= d helmet, water wings besides. =20 =20 I fly my beautiful LNC 2 sometimes just to keep the cam shaft lubricated, = and always include some slow flight for proficiency. That's it. But, I= don't recommend long base legs, they're unnecessary and irritating. Bal= l centered and slow from max L/D on base to final. And AOA, AOA, AOA. =20 =20 If you want to see spins in the LNC2, go watch Wolfgang.... from the grou= nd with binoculars. =20 =20 If you want spin training, and you should, go do it in a proven spin trai= ner.=20 =20 =20 Jack Addison =20 LNC 2, Mk 2 =20 =20 =20 ----------MB_8CFBF2594C2134F_2294_3C076_webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Wolfie,

what kind of Lancair have you built and flown?

Jeff


-----= Original Message-----
From: Wolfgang <Wolfgang@MiCom.net>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 3:36 pm
Subject: [LML] Fw: Spins

Jon is making some false assumptions about my=20 position.
I advocate getting to the right answers about a p= roblem,=20 not just stay away from it because you're afraid of it.
Other manufacturers have identified their problem= s and=20 characterized them.
 
The main problem here is that Lancair never fully= =20 investigated the aerodymanics in that part of the envelope.
Their focus was on all out performance and not mu= ch on=20 corners of the flight envelope . . . shame.
They didn't even bother to advance the idea of st= all=20 strips to help mitigate the problem.
 
Wolfgang
 
=20
----- Original Message -----
=20
= From:=20 JON ADDI= SON=20
=20 =20
Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:1= 7=20 PM
=20
Subject: Spins
=20

=20
At the risk of being redundant... but in the interest of s= aving=20 lives and keeping our insurance from going any higher...=20 =20

=20
I'll underling Pete's experience (from the finest TPS in the free worl= d)=20 and Lynn's experience.
=20

=20
At my Naval TPS class in 1973, our spin lecturer, spun the F4 over 100= =20 times and then one day it went flat for no apparent reason and never came= out.=20   So when he warned us to immediately recover in the A7 if it starte= d to=20 depart.... that's exactly what we did.    Ejection seat, custom= =20 fitted helmet, water wings besides.
=20

=20
I fly my beautiful LNC 2 sometimes just to keep the cam shaft lubricat= ed,=20 and always include some slow flight for proficiency.  That's it.=20  But, I don't recommend long base legs, they're unnecessary and=20 irritating.  Ball centered and slow from max L/D on base to final.= =20  And AOA, AOA, AOA.
=20

=20
If you want to see spins in the LNC2, go watch Wolfgang.... from the= =20 ground with binoculars.
=20

=20
If you want spin training, and you should, go do it in a proven spin= =20 trainer. 
=20

=20
Jack Addison
=20
LNC 2, Mk 2
=20

=20

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