X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 02:28:10 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.146] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6009321 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:12:04 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.146; envelope-from=vtailjeff@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.9]) by imr-da04.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 5A5B11C0000BA for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:11:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mnc004c.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mnc004.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.106.205]) by mtaomg-ma02.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 07C51E000086 for ; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:11:29 -0500 (EST) References: X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LML roots In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: vtailjeff@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CFBF28E798F2BF_2294_3C4C6_webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 37288-STANDARD Received: from 12.110.229.82 by webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com (205.188.103.147) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:11:28 -0500 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CFBF28E78AAA79-2294-12365@webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [12.110.229.82] X-Original-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:11:28 -0500 (EST) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:463711840:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290950f1df916b7a This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CFBF28E798F2BF_2294_3C4C6_webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Bill, Great questions. The ultimate answer is this is really a life or death deci= sion. About once or twice a year some pilot runs out of O2 above 20K' and d= rills along until the plane runs out of fuel.=20 So- O2 switch should be in front of you-- not on floor, behind seat etc.=20 Mask definitely.=20 Around your neck. Preflight system before takeoff to ensure proper flow.. especially if bottl= e is remotely mounted.=20 Practice-- at night blindfolded with Tim's mum in law screaming at you.=20 You would be surprised how stupid one can get at FL250 when the cabin depre= ssurizes and how little time (seconds) it takes. All the stuff you hear abo= ut "time of useful consciousness" applies to a healthy cardio fit 25 year o= ld lieutenant flying an F/A-18. It does not IMHO apply to a 60 year old out= of shape fat guy in a Lancair!=20 Jeff (remember I am also the same wimpy guy that said do not practice stalls in = a Lancair so take this with a grain of salt) For starters, if there was a=20 rapid decompression at altitude how quickly can a system be activated? Mask= =20 or cannula- should they be worn around your neck and plugged in just in=20 case? -----Original Message----- From: Bill Wade To: lml Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 12:18 pm Subject: [LML] Re: LML roots I agree. I've never used an oxygen system before but would like to install= =20 an emergency system in the IV-P I'm building. For starters, if there was a= =20 rapid decompression at altitude how quickly can a system be activated? Mask= =20 or cannula- should they be worn around your neck and plugged in just in=20 case? Flow adjustments- I don't know enough yet to even ask intelligent=20 questions. Thanks- Bill Wade -----Original Message-----=20 From: Greenbacks, UnLtd. Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:40 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: LML roots I for one, would like to see LML return to its roots because in my=20 experience, it's been adrift for a while. In other words, discussion of=20 building techniques and problem solving and best building practices=20 generally as they apply to our Lancairs. As well as interspersed with=20 discussion of how to safely and responsibly fly what a lot of us put together in our=20 basements over many years. How about the topic of approach to stalls and=20 spin avoidance. Gee, we haven't heard much on this subject in quite a while= .=20 :-) How about portable oxygen solutions, is there a clear winner out there?= =20 I plan to test the upper end of the altitude envelope in my 360 this year s= o=20 I need to know. And as for pre purchase advise for a 235/320/360, do your homework and go= =20 get a ride or 2 or 3 or more. Is there anyone left out there who does not= =20 know that the 235 gross weight was increased to 1500 lbs over 14yrs ago? Oh, and here's a suggestion that may send a few people running for the=20 hills, opinions may be interesting but really ought to be backed up by fact= . Cheers, Angier Ames N4ZQ -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html= =20 -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =20 ----------MB_8CFBF28E798F2BF_2294_3C4C6_webmailstg-d01.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Bill,

Great que= stions. The ultimate answer is this is really a life or death decision. Abo= ut once or twice a year some pilot runs out of O2 above 20K' and drills alo= ng until the plane runs out of fuel. 

So- O2 sw= itch should be in front of you-- not on floor, behind seat etc. 

Mask defi= nitely. 

Around yo= ur neck.

Preflight&= nbsp;system before takeoff to ensure proper flow.. especially if bottle is = remotely mounted. 

Practice-- at night blindfolded with T= im's mum in law screaming at you. 

You would be surprised how stupid one = can get at FL250 when the cabin depressurizes and how little time (seconds)= it takes. All the stuff you hear about "time of useful consciousness"= applies to a healthy cardio fit 25 year old lieutenant flying an F/A-18. I= t does not IMHO apply to a 60 year old out of shape fat guy in a Lancair!&n= bsp;

Jeff
(remember I am also the same=  wimpy guy that said do not practice stalls in a Lancair so take this = with a grain of salt)




F=
or starters, if there was a=20
rapid decompression at altitude how quickly can a system be activated? Mask=
=20
or cannula- should they be worn around your neck and plugged in just in=20
case?



-----= Original Message-----
From: Bill Wade <super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com>
To: lml <lml@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 12:18 pm
Subject: [LML] Re: LML roots

I agree. I've never used an oxygen syste=
m before but would like to install=20
an emergency system in the IV-P I'm building. For starters, if there was a=
=20
rapid decompression at altitude how quickly can a system be activated? Mask=
=20
or cannula- should they be worn around your neck and plugged in just in=20
case? Flow adjustments- I don't know enough yet to even ask intelligent=20
questions. Thanks- Bill Wade

-----Original Message-----=20
From: Greenbacks, UnLtd.
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 7:40 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: LML roots

I for one, would like to see LML return to its roots because in my=20
experience, it's been adrift for a while. In other words, discussion of=20
building techniques and problem solving and best building practices=20
generally as they apply to our Lancairs. As well as interspersed with=20
discussion of
how to safely and responsibly fly what a lot of us put together in our=20
basements over many years. How about the topic of approach to stalls and=20
spin avoidance. Gee, we haven't heard much on this subject in quite a while=
.=20
:-) How about portable oxygen solutions, is there a clear winner out there?=
=20
I plan to test the upper end of the altitude envelope in my 360 this year s=
o=20
I need to know.
And as for pre purchase advise for a 235/320/360, do your homework and go=
=20
get a ride or 2 or 3 or more. Is there anyone left out there who does not=
=20
know that the 235 gross weight was increased to 1500 lbs over 14yrs ago?
Oh, and here's a suggestion that may send a few people running for the=20
hills, opinions may be interesting but really ought to be backed up by fact=
.


Cheers,

Angier Ames
N4ZQ
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