Mailing List lml@lancaironline.net Message #63926
From: Bill Wade <super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com>
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Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Fw: [LML] Re: Purchase Advice LNC2
Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 02:28:10 -0500
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>
Hi Scott-
              I was exaggerating for effect- However, my understanding is that canards are theoretically more efficient because the canard provides a lift component as opposed to a horizontal stabilizer that has to create negative lift. In both cases the aircraft is balanced so the nose drops during a stall. In practice, the canard *has* to stall before the main wing. The “deep stall” experienced during a flight test on the Velocity is a case in point. That plane entered a stable vertical descent- I think it was 500 FPM- and couldn’t be gotten out of it. The pilot actually opened the door and tried to shift CG by leaning forward. Fortunately it landed in water and the pilot survived with back injuries. The factory did some innovative testing to try to understand what happened.
 
  I had one of the first Velocity kits (a very early RG), and after some time we received cuffs that we were told to put on the elevator LE. I wasn’t thrilled- I already had everything built and carefully adjusted. I never heard an explanation, just that it was to adjust the gap and decrease the lift of the canard. From this, I’d speculate that during the incident the main wing partially stalled while the canard kept flying. Under those circumstances the nose couldn’t drop and the wing couldn’t regain lift. So the fix was a compromise that reduced efficiency in return for an extra margin of safety.
 
I never finished mine as I saw enough fatalities over the years and found too many construction aspects that I didn’t like. In the end I decided the plane was too limited in terms of fuel capacity and payload so I abandoned it. My understanding is that as a stall approaches the canard stalls first due to higher loading, dropping the nose and regaining airspeed. If the conditions continued, the process would repeat.  -Bill Wade
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 4:36 PM
Subject: [LML] Re: Fw: [LML] Re: Purchase Advice LNC2
 
Bill,
 
Recently there have been many canards on this list - Oh, maybe you meant aircraft with canards.  I challenge your statement that they are more efficient.  However, they do operate well in the ETE as long as the canard remains clean as a smutty canard causes loss of lift on that crucial wingy-thingy.  Only Klaus has an efficient canard aircraft although you may have to find out how much power he wrings out his engine and what that funny skinny prop is doing.  BTW, they are good airplanes that avoid main wing stalls and just mush on down.
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 1/12/2013 12:18:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, super_chipmunk@roadrunner.com writes:
  In this discussion I’m surprised that Canards haven’t been mentioned. It’s well known they’re more efficient- surely that’s due to the fact that they were designed from the ground up to fly backwards.
 
  Also, given the fact that there’s a reversal of the Coriolis effect between the two hemispheres why hasn’t there been a discussion of ETE- Equitorial Transition Effect? That’s the warping of the space/time continuum as you approach the Equator and then experience the reversal during passage. This is distinct from ETA- Everyone’s Talking Australian, a spatial and temporal dissonance caused by situations such as:
 
What’s a Goanna- is that what’s eating my Marmite (a cute, fuzzy marsupial).
 
Is it polite to play your Didgeridoo in public or it only for consenting adults?
 
You get the idea...  Cheers- Bill Wade
 
 
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