X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 02:28:09 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from db3outboundpool.messaging.microsoft.com ([213.199.154.142] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 6009474 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 00:49:25 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=213.199.154.142; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com Received: from mail64-db3-R.bigfish.com (10.3.81.251) by DB3EHSOBE006.bigfish.com (10.3.84.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:48:48 +0000 Received: from mail64-db3 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail64-db3-R.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9144A201EE; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:48:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: CIP:157.56.245.5;KIP:(null);UIP:(null);IPV:NLI;H:CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com;RD:none;EFVD:NLI X-SpamScore: -1 X-BigFish: PS-1(zz98dIzz1ee6h1de0h1202h1e76h1d1ah1d2ahzzz31h2a8h668h839h944hd25hf0ah1220h1288h12a5h12a9h12bdh137ah13b6h1441h1504h1537h153bh15d0h162dh1631h1758h1155h) Received-SPF: softfail (mail64-db3: transitioning domain of htii.com does not designate 157.56.245.5 as permitted sender) client-ip=157.56.245.5; envelope-from=rpastusek@htii.com; helo=CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ;.outlook.com ; Received: from mail64-db3 (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail64-db3 (MessageSwitch) id 1358056085862812_24975; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:48:05 +0000 (UTC) Received: from DB3EHSMHS012.bigfish.com (unknown [10.3.81.253]) by mail64-db3.bigfish.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E4772C005C; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:47:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com (157.56.245.5) by DB3EHSMHS012.bigfish.com (10.3.87.112) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.1.225.23; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:47:54 +0000 Received: from CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([169.254.11.244]) by CH1PRD0710HT004.namprd07.prod.outlook.com ([10.255.152.39]) with mapi id 14.16.0257.004; Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:47:52 +0000 From: Robert R Pastusek X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List X-Original-CC: John Barrett Subject: RE: [LML] Re: LML roots Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: LML roots Thread-Index: AQHN8PFCElmO0gkfjk2kb82IcAeBB5hGo4oA X-Original-Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 05:47:52 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: <41361035E6613244A377D5AC3BF5EFDD4A83A1B7@CH1PRD0710MB367.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [72.66.86.7] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Return-Path: rpastusek@htii.com X-OriginatorOrg: htii.com Bill Wade wrote: I agree. I've never used an oxygen system before but would like to install = an emergency system in the IV-P I'm building. For starters, if there was a = rapid decompression at altitude how quickly can a system be activated? Mask= or cannula- should they be worn around your neck and plugged in just in ca= se? Flow adjustments- I don't know enough yet to even ask intelligent quest= ions. Thanks- Bill Wade Bill, For the IV-P, I'd recommend that you test/certify the aircraft to no higher= than FL 250. The airplane will climb and fly higher, especially if lightly= loaded, but the FARs require annual equipment and aircrew checks if it's o= perated above FL250. The other reason to make this your operational ceiling= is that the "time of useful consciousness (TUC) at FL 250 is a couple of m= inutes under normal situations (several factors/conditions can reduce this = significantly), but reduces rapidly to seconds as you go higher. Even consi= dering the reduced TUC from illness, rapid decompression--loss of a window-= -etc), you have time to get the masks on if you do this as the first action= after a de-compression/loss of cabin pressure at FL 250. Above FL 250, a r= apid de-compression is a traumatic/attention -getting event. The most commo= n scenario for IV-P's is loss of a window or part of the door, where the ve= ry rapid loss of pressure will cause you to forcibly exhale, significantly = reducing your TUC...above FL 250, this time quickly reduces to seconds. Hav= ing experienced the loss of a canopy in an F-4 many years ago at FL 280, I'= m pretty sure my wife would not get back in the airplane if we blew a windo= w or door up there. I mounted my Mountain High (emergency) O2 bottle to the front of the main s= par box, basically under the front edge of the pilot's seat. Wherever you m= ount the bottle, it needs to be in a place you can turn on the main tank va= lve easily from your pilot seat when needed, AND can check the pressure/qua= ntity during pre-flight. You'll need a mask that you can slip over your mou= th/nose. You'll use this for emergencies only, so a small bottle that suppl= ies 20 minutes of O2 for you and your passengers is more than sufficient. A= ny of the O2 system suppliers can help you with sizing the pressure bottle = to your needs--be sure they know you have a pressurized cockpit or they wil= l really press you to buy a more elaborate system. I installed the very sim= ple/basic O2 masks from Mountain High in pockets in the sidewall beside the= pilot/copilot and each back seat passenger. The front masks are always con= nected and flow O2 as soon as the main valve is turned on. The back masks a= re not normally connected and have shut-off valves in the connectors; I con= nect them only if taking passengers above 15,000--which is not normal for = me. All masks are very quick and easy to access. Use should be part of your= crew/passenger pre-flight briefing if you're taking them above 15,000'. Yo= u and your passengers need to practice donning/activating this equipment wi= th the same commitment as you practice engine-out landings. The need for t= he emergency O2 system is so infrequent that without practice and conscious= thought about it, you won't do the right things, in the right sequence dur= ing a rapid decompression. I'd recommend a cabin pressure sensor connected to a warning light/annuncia= tor or similar instrumentation. Mine is connected to my Electronics Interna= tional MVP-50 engine/system monitor, and is set to alarm any time the cabin= pressure goes above 10,000'. It's performed flawlessly for 5+ years now. (= I also have an identical sensor connected to an outside pressure source tha= t's wired in series with my boost pump so it turns a warning light on if th= e airplane is above 10,000' and the boost pump is not on. It also lights be= low 10,000' if the boost pump is on... This system is my personal preferenc= e...but handy. In the past five years, I've lost cabin pressure twice while at altitude. B= oth were caused by door seal failures, once the seal itself failed, and onc= e the pump motor failed. Both resulted in fairly rapid loss of cabin pressu= re, but not "explosive decompression" as will occur with loss of a window. = Turning on the O2 and donning masks, then asking for a descent to a lower a= ltitude were "routine" and caused nothing but a bit of anxiety in my co-pil= ot/wife.=20 One last caution. If you're using the big Continental, its turbochargers wi= ll maintain cabin pressure at/above about 25" of manifold pressure. If you = pull the power back below 25" to descend from the flight levels, you'll rap= idly dump the cabin pressure back through the engine. I considered installi= ng an "anti-backflow" valve in the system, but then realized that it would = only slow the loss of cabin pressure a little, as the cabin leaks a good bi= t (they all do) and need a pretty steady flow of compressed air to maintain= pressurization. So I abandoned this idea, and am careful with the throttle= on descents...which is a good engine management practice anyway. The other= result of this operating limitation is that you'll need to start down from= the flight levels long before you can see your destination...60-90 miles o= ut, depending on altitude and winds. This takes some getting used to, and s= peed brakes can help a little. I have them, but almost never use them; it s= eems such a waste to burn up the energy/fuel you spend climbing to altitude= in aero drag coming back down... My standard/much preferred procedure is t= o plan a descent well out from destination...you usually have to ask ATC to= start down. In summary, you will need only a basic emergency O2 system in your pressuri= zed cockpit. A continuous-flow system with the most basic masks is adequate= ; and don't waste money on pulse flow regulators. I'd also stay away from r= emote mounting of the bottle, but in any case, do be sure to check the O2 s= upply on pre-flight if you plan to go up into the flight levels. I consider= the cabin pressure warning system a critical part of my airplane; as impor= tant as the AOA system and accurate fuel indicators. All of these are avail= able in relatively inexpensive and reliable instrumentation these days. Write or call if questions/issues. Bob Pastusek