X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:36:00 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from hrndva-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([71.74.56.122] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 6009293 for lml@lancaironline.net; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:21:27 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=71.74.56.122; envelope-from=Wolfgang@MiCom.net X-Original-Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.0 cv=O9a7TWBW c=1 sm=0 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:17 a=3Zlka_XeuxsA:10 a=ttCsPuSJ-FAA:10 a=rTjvlri0AAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=2f6tnoZqL35op6YmRcEA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=AAvYLDLOAAAA:8 a=GcY6koqEC4nCDr4vfdQA:9 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=s2loLT2QvaoA:10 a=bwUOfQCd1jVRADVD:21 a=MHZY6FYWMEQOp7S43i2QIw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Authenticated-User: X-Originating-IP: 74.218.201.50 Received: from [74.218.201.50] ([74.218.201.50:4133] helo=lobo) by hrndva-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.3.46 r()) with ESMTP id 09/1F-01424-4B3D1F05; Sat, 12 Jan 2013 21:20:52 +0000 X-Original-Message-ID: From: "Wolfgang" X-Original-To: Subject: Fw: Spins X-Original-Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 16:20:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01CDF0E0.CA9E3980" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CDF0E0.CA9E3980 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jon is making some false assumptions about my position. I advocate getting to the right answers about a problem, not just stay = away from it because you're afraid of it. Other manufacturers have identified their problems and characterized = them. The main problem here is that Lancair never fully investigated the = aerodymanics in that part of the envelope. Their focus was on all out performance and not much on corners of the = flight envelope . . . shame. They didn't even bother to advance the idea of stall strips to help = mitigate the problem. Wolfgang ----- Original Message -----=20 From: JON ADDISON=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net=20 Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:17 PM Subject: Spins At the risk of being redundant... but in the interest of saving lives = and keeping our insurance from going any higher...=20 I'll underling Pete's experience (from the finest TPS in the free = world) and Lynn's experience. At my Naval TPS class in 1973, our spin lecturer, spun the F4 over 100 = times and then one day it went flat for no apparent reason and never = came out. So when he warned us to immediately recover in the A7 if it = started to depart.... that's exactly what we did. Ejection seat, = custom fitted helmet, water wings besides. I fly my beautiful LNC 2 sometimes just to keep the cam shaft = lubricated, and always include some slow flight for proficiency. That's = it. But, I don't recommend long base legs, they're unnecessary and = irritating. Ball centered and slow from max L/D on base to final. And = AOA, AOA, AOA. If you want to see spins in the LNC2, go watch Wolfgang.... from the = ground with binoculars. If you want spin training, and you should, go do it in a proven spin = trainer.=20 Jack Addison LNC 2, Mk 2 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01CDF0E0.CA9E3980 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Jon is making some false assumptions about my=20 position.
I advocate getting to the right answers about a = problem,=20 not just stay away from it because you're afraid of it.
Other manufacturers have identified their = problems and=20 characterized them.
 
The main problem here is that Lancair never = fully=20 investigated the aerodymanics in that part of the envelope.
Their focus was on all out performance and not = much on=20 corners of the flight envelope . . . shame.
They didn't even bother to advance the idea of = stall=20 strips to help mitigate the problem.
 
Wolfgang
 
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 JON = ADDISON=20
Sent: Thursday, January 10, = 2013 8:17=20 PM
Subject: Spins

At the risk of being redundant... but in the interest = of saving=20 lives and keeping our insurance from going any higher...=20

I'll underling Pete's experience (from the finest TPS in the free = world)=20 and Lynn's experience.

At my Naval TPS class in 1973, our spin lecturer, spun the F4 = over 100=20 times and then one day it went flat for no apparent reason and never = came out.=20   So when he warned us to immediately recover in the A7 if it = started to=20 depart.... that's exactly what we did.    Ejection seat, = custom=20 fitted helmet, water wings besides.

I fly my beautiful LNC 2 sometimes just to keep the cam shaft = lubricated,=20 and always include some slow flight for proficiency.  That's it.=20  But, I don't recommend long base legs, they're unnecessary and=20 irritating.  Ball centered and slow from max L/D on base to = final.=20  And AOA, AOA, AOA.

If you want to see spins in the LNC2, go watch Wolfgang.... from = the=20 ground with binoculars.

If you want spin training, and you should, go do it in a proven = spin=20 trainer. 

Jack Addison
LNC 2, Mk 2


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