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Dan, I have met you a few times up in Oregon and around California.  I 
remember your 235 and thought you had done a great job with it.  It was nice 
to read the whole story with the history.  Like you I built mine before the 
internet was in wide use, the only help you got was on the telephone with 
the factory, flyins or project visits.  My flight in the red 320 was with 
Goetz, Linda Neibauer wrote up the sale of my kit, they were still in Santa 
Paula in 1989.  After some training in Redmond, Goetz took me for a 
check-out flight and recommended I get another 10 hours.  Goetz flew the 
company LIV down to Chino in 1999, checked out my airplane, gave me a couple 
of trips around the pattern, stated I still need at least another 10 hours 
of training.  Luckily I met Chuck Moon at Chino who let me fly with him in 
his beautiful L360 and then coached me through several flights when mine was 
first flying.  I have managed to fly mine over 1300 hours, made it to OSH a 
half dozen times, Sun-N-Fun once, all over the mid-west and and West coast. 
All of those trips were around 200 mph and under 9GPH.  Most of my 
maintenance has been dealing with the landing gear and hydraulic systems. 
For me the journey has been a very pleasurable one, I am so thankful that 
Lance and Don spent all of those years designing, developing and refining an 
airplane that I could afford to build and fly, that is still in my humble 
opinion the prettiest airplanes around.  ("wee airplane" to quote Grayhawk)

It is nice to hear from one of early guys who mostly just reads the posts on 
LML and smiles at the comments being made.
Gary N320GG L320 1300 hours

-----Original Message----- 
From: Dan Schaefer

Ok, listers, here's an original 235 builder/flyer responding to the
suggestion that maybe we ought chime in re: Our 235 lawn darts - so here
goes.

I built mine starting in about '86 - '87 (I think) when Lance was still in
LA, before the company moved to Santa Paula and before Don Goetz started
trying to squeeze a 320 into the airframe. This was in the days when the
build manual was still partly in draft and corrections were arriving in the
mail every week. First flight was in '93 done utilizing the then factory
service of having an experienced factory pilot (Mike DeHate) do the first
flight, explore the envelope and check me out. I'm still flying N235SP and
have over 1000 hours on it. (That doesn't sound like a lot since '93 but
work kept me out of country a bunch and after retirement to the north
country, I don't fly much in the winters up here).

I have used the airplane for simply boring holes, learning to fly formation
with an ex-Navy carrier fighter pilot, and many of the requisite "$100
dollar hamburger runs". But also on quite a few reasonably long trips such
as: Coeur d'Alene, ID (the town to which I retired) to LA, LA to
Yellowstone, LA to Redmond, Or, etc. I run a Lyc. O-235-L2C with the
Lycoming "helicopter" pistons (moderatly high-compression yielding maybe 120
to 125 HP) and run a two bladed electric MT C/S prop. On long trips, the
airplane likes about 9,500 to 10,500 ft and for years I have averaged 164
knots in cruise. On the trips to Jellystone from LA I always carried a
passenger (who ran to about 200 lbs), fishing gear and baggage for two guys
for the week (limiting the baggage to a total of 50 lbs for structural
reasons in the baggage bay). Of course, with that loading, takeoffs took
more runway but once on cruise, there is very little difference in the speed
or the handling.

When I built the airplane, I had a partner who was 6' 1" and weighed about
205 lbs. to accomodate his size, we cut some of the passenger bottom
seat-pan away (a factory suggestion), lowering his head by about two inches.
His only comment was that he always had to be sure that he put on his
headset with the mic towards the inside or it would hit the canopy side. My
partner couldn't get his medical so we left the pilot's seat pan alone and I
have to do the same too, but it's not a big deal.

Like Grayhawk, after flying for a year or so, I arbitrarily moved my
preferred cg range slightly forward - reason? - back in the mid '90's, there
was also much talk about the airplane's probable spin recovery problems and
I wanted as much rudder arm as plssible, just in case. I doubt if that
reduces my cruise speed much due to elevator down-force as the airplane
requires nose-down trim when going into reflex anyway, so the forward cg
abets that requirement. To be factual, I did need to install slightly
stronger pitch trim springs to have full trim authority at the flare for
landing.

My fuel tanks in the wings (11 gal each - header 11 gal as well) are located
between the front and rear spars and between the inboard close-out rib and
the second rib, which was moved a couple of inches outboard (with blessings
from the factory). This was done for several reasons: First and foremost, I
didn't like the idea of the inertia of the fuel all the way out to the
wingtips as was designed. In a spin, centrifugal force would likely force
all the wing fuel toward the tips exacerbating recovery difficulty -
hopefully, it can only help inadvertent spin recovery - though I'm fully
aware that a pattern stall/spin would be fatal. And not only in a Lancair.
Second, with the fuel between the spars, burning off the fuel in the wings
has little effect on cg travel. And third, I thought that trying to seal
those bloody leading edges would be really tough.

Whatever Lancair you are looking at to buy, I certainly recommend picking
one that has the oleo nose strut. The original type required a lot of
fiddling to keep it from going ape - s**t on landing and tearing up your
engine mount. In my opinion they should all have been retrofitted by now.

While I'm at it I'll add my 2c worth regarding the Stall, spin thread that's
been going on - again! I do practice approach to stall recognition to remind
myself what it feels like (my 235 gives a fairly good warning - even if one
ignores the mushy controls). Though my Lancair doesn't seem to have a
tendency to drop a wing at the stall, I know the envelope and don't push it.
I've also always put in a bit of nose-down pitch trim in the pattern, just
enough to require a noticable amount of back pressure on the stick, so the
nose to drop enough to get my attention if I am distracted. I started doing
this while flying in LA where it was common to be number six for landing -
and four guys ahead were flying Cessna 150's!

Dan Schaefer
LNC2    N235SP
78 and still flying!


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