X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 12:45:52 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost04.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.104] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 5995247 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 04 Jan 2013 11:22:53 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.217.104; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-98-85-145-180.mco.bellsouth.net[98.85.145.180]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc04) with SMTP id <20130104162217H0400ap3tle>; Fri, 4 Jan 2013 16:22:18 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [98.85.145.180] From: "Bill Bradburry" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: stalls X-Original-Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 11:22:17 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: <3BDBC2B83F634CF99A6C6FC2ECE17F18@Desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01CDEA6D.C1CB3F70" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: Ac3qR9pSwuSPkd4bSXCVqk27uAdO3wAS12fg X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18463 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CDEA6D.C1CB3F70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bill, Certainly I have stalled my Lancair. With the ball centered, it breaks straight ahead. When the nose goes thru the horizon, it has stalled and I recover. As it approaches the stall, it gets mushy, there is little burble/buffet warning, but you can definitely tell it is coming because of the mushiness prior. I needed to stall it so that I could set my AOA and 'Bitchin Betty' so I would get a stall warning which I think is needed but not required on experimental planes There is no cause for me to talk to Jeff. He thinks one thing, I think another. He is welcome to his opinion and I plan to stick to mine. I pray we all fly safe. I see a lot of guys rolling their planes. I have no intension of rolling mine. In fact, I think they are nuts, but they are welcome to be nuts if they like. Even more nuts are the guys that fly their planes into ice, which, I think, is where most of the Lancair deaths come from, not from stall training. If you get a Lancair iced up, it doesn't matter what you know about stalls or recovery because you are on a one way elevator. My opinion is you should switch this discussion to ice and away from stalls. There have been deaths due to stalls, the unfortunate guy at Oshkosh who got too slow on approach a couple of years ago comes to mind, but I think many more due to flight into icing.. Everybody fly safe. I am done with the subject. Bill _____ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Harrelson Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 1:51 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: stalls Bill, Talk to Jeff. I would agree with your stall ideas in just about any airplanes other than Lancairs. They are different...very different from other airplane types and very different among samples of the same Lancair type. Neither of my Lancairs, the 320 or the IV, give any warning at all before a stall. No buffett, no burble...nothing. If you do a full stall in a IV plan for a break that will be hard and abrupt. Have you actually stalled your Lancair? Please speak to Jeff privately. He has investigated far too many Lancair accidents to pass on his good advice. Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 2,150 hrs N6ZQ IV 75 hrs. From: vtailjeff@aol.com Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 6:03 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: stalls Bill, I respectfully disagree with just about everything you are saying here. Would you please contact me offline or give me you number so I can call you? Jeff Edwards 324-308-6719 cell ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01CDEA6D.C1CB3F70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Bill,

 

Certainly I have stalled my = Lancair.  With the ball centered, it breaks straight ahead.  When the nose = goes thru the horizon, it has stalled and I recover.  As it approaches the = stall, it gets mushy, there is little burble/buffet warning, but you can = definitely tell it is coming because of the mushiness = prior.

I needed to stall it so that I = could set my AOA and ‘Bitchin Betty’ so I would get a stall warning = which I think is needed but not required on experimental = planes

 

There is no cause for me to talk to Jeff.  He thinks one thing, I think another.  He is welcome to = his opinion and I plan to stick to mine.  I pray we all fly safe.  = I see a lot of guys rolling their planes.  I have no intension of rolling = mine.  In fact, I think they are nuts, but they are welcome to be nuts if they = like.  Even more nuts are the guys that fly their planes into ice, which, I = think, is where most of the Lancair deaths come from, not from stall = training.  If you get a Lancair iced up, it doesn’t matter what you know about = stalls or recovery because you are on a one way = elevator.

 

My opinion is you should switch = this discussion to ice and away from stalls.  There have been deaths due = to stalls, the unfortunate guy at Oshkosh who got too slow on approach a = couple of years ago comes to mind, but I think many more due to flight into = icing..

 

Everybody fly safe. I am done with = the subject.

 

Bill

From: = Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Harrelson
Sent: Friday, January 04, = 2013 1:51 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: = stalls

 

Bill,

 

Talk = to Jeff. I would agree with your stall ideas in just about any airplanes other than Lancairs. They are different...very different from other airplane types = and very different among samples of the same Lancair type. Neither of my = Lancairs, the 320 or the IV, give any warning at all before a stall. No buffett, = no burble...nothing. If you do a full stall in a IV plan for a break that = will be hard and abrupt. Have you actually stalled your = Lancair?

 

Please = speak to Jeff privately. He has investigated far too many Lancair accidents to = pass on his good advice.

 

Bill = Harrelson

N5ZQ = 320 2,150 hrs

N6ZQ  IV  75 hrs.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sent: Thursday, = January 03, 2013 6:03 PM

Subject: [LML] Re: stalls

 

Bill, =

 

=

I respectfully disagree with just = about everything you are saying here. Would you please contact me offline or = give me you number so I can call you?

 

=

Jeff = Edwards

324-308-6719 = cell

 

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