X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:46:17 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm33-vm7.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([72.30.239.207] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTPS id 5992384 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 20:16:31 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=72.30.239.207; envelope-from=paulhershorin@bellsouth.net Received: from [98.139.212.149] by nm33.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 01:15:57 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.99] by tm6.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 01:15:57 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 03 Jan 2013 01:15:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 949364.5112.bm@omp1004.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 13443 invoked by uid 60001); 3 Jan 2013 01:15:56 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=bellsouth.net; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=gahHRR2G+KYv3mXk7ocOHcEmbqr+4vqvItKXCftV/GsGWJtRnoef3GGX5h9Vwetrhw4gSYrrNFplbgoBmOmsiPuSH//brHvtB5G0MfKDyjqkLfO6jd+InWeEKiTgI+STSGyz0/y0Cs9ShW9VtKbsp+QygunyZWzQjzP4Ew4O4yQ=; X-YMail-OSG: A4C.n9sVM1ldr.1mcu_YJo10qD77mcxsQwr8iBuMFzVxvt2 1QzoGMnMoFC.oYQg0B9o8UU4gR09nMsKtbiPfDbGlT7CKbv6f.yrH20z.tdj _TMzjz4cG87rgzV6aC0YZvhCCqlP_Nkw5XlokBu_OdPPfNbHFvljLaXWxLgt 65XbhWhSqvUKkip0xxmlSBqj5UCdMp7ovMlzWICXcd7d9Cums5HpQXS9Q2hq q9VZN3ezkQHgqe.I3okIZz8FgPujWkO5eYQaYXdFWgz4RYJV0LHpRNbmb64. esJd25ESGBJjz5YzgeOocMOOqT1uNHO5iBJPyVnJvuyZTdSOUXFYIUaKL.ak xUApFqcCJ.5BRYwBas4rNlazo6xzbZTl4YcdrVJIKRcN8PZ8hPUa8ssi2cle PVoO7M_vQNOzrHLePRv7XnSxo.07iBtTlJ0PunVoTb_yWOZHgaILVGbBdbss 1y7LJwKWTBcnDTfOI_InHZ0D4_anKA73jjWt1PyHubIcskHRsEAkzc_SbPyx HQuDI9jDU1uIZDwFFHU3Q1ps5UeFvfrJV6GQjDmGYbdAwOXtT3WSE7zfgtiz oZjQDEA-- Received: from [98.64.192.134] by web181302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:15:56 PST X-Rocket-MIMEInfo: 001.001,SSBtdXN0IGFncmVlIHRoYXQgeW91IG5lZWQgdG8ga25vdyB5b3VyIHBsYW5lIGFuZCB0aGF0IGluY2x1ZGVzIHN0YWxscy7CoCBJIGdvIHRvIDEwLDAwMCBhbmQgZG8gc2xvdyBmbGlnaHQsZmxhcHMgYW5kIHdoZWVscyBkb3duIGFuZCBjbGVhbiBzdGFsbHMtLXRocmVlIHJldm9sdXRpb25zIGFuZCBJIHB1bGwgb3V0IGF0IDMsMDAwIHRvIDIsNTAwIGZlZXQuwqBNeSBleHBlcmllbmNlIHdpdGggc3RhbGxzIGlzIHRoZSBub3NlIGNvbWVzIGRvd25hbmQgdGhlIHBsYW5lIHN0YXJ0cyBhIGxlZnQgaGFuZCByb3QBMAEBAQE- X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.1.2 YahooMailWebService/0.8.129.483 X-Original-Message-ID: <1357175756.12422.YahooMailClassic@web181302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:15:56 -0800 (PST) From: PAUL HERSHORIN Subject: Re: [LML] Re: stalls X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-1304071051-1447033725-1357175756=:12422" ---1304071051-1447033725-1357175756=:12422 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I must agree that you need to know your plane and that includes stalls.=A0 = I go to 10,000 and do slow flight,flaps and wheels down and clean stalls--t= hree revolutions and I pull out at 3,000 to 2,500 feet.=A0My experience wit= h stalls is the nose comes downand the plane starts a left hand rotation an= d the plane comes down at 160kts. =A0I know that a clean stall is 105 to 10= 8 kts and flaps and wheels down it is 72 to 78 kts.=A0 In the pattern I hav= e done tight turns but when doing this I always have the nose down to maint= ain speed---I never go below 110kts until on final and then I stay at 100kt= s until over the runway 10 feet or less, slowly reduce power and let it set= tle on the ground.=A0 Do not pull power to soon because it will drop like a= rock. Paul Hershorin 360=A0 471LA --- On Wed, 1/2/13, David M. Powell CRFA wrote: From: David M. Powell CRFA Subject: [LML] Re: stalls To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wednesday, January 2, 2013, 8:15 AM _filtered #yiv1600182680 { font-family:Calibri;} _filtered #yiv1600182680 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv1600182680 P.yiv1600182680MsoNormal { MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";FONT-SIZE:11pt;} #yiv1600182680 LI.yiv1600182680MsoNormal { MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";FONT-SIZE:11pt;} #yiv1600182680 DIV.yiv1600182680MsoNormal { MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";FONT-SIZE:11pt;} #yiv1600182680 A:link { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv1600182680 SPAN.yiv1600182680MsoHyperlink { COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv1600182680 A:visited { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv1600182680 SPAN.yiv1600182680MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR:purple;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;} #yiv1600182680 SPAN.yiv1600182680EmailStyle17 { FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";COLOR:windowtext;} #yiv1600182680 .yiv1600182680MsoChpDefault { FONT-FAMILY:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} #yiv1600182680 DIV.yiv1600182680WordSection1 { } I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls altogether in = my 360.=A0 After reading the stall and stall spin accident information, I j= ust don't think it's worth the risk.=A0 On take-off, I stay in ground effec= t for the half second it takes to make it into the green after wheels up; o= n landing, I approach well above stall for my flap configuration, and let t= he speed bleed off only a few feet above the threshold.=A0 During normal fl= ight, I don't even get near a typical slow flight speed.=A0 Too many variab= les in a home built airplane with no precise envelope,=A0a header tank that= is PROBABLY where I think it is, but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if th= e gauge is stuck; possible extra wait in the tail area (water retention aft= er heavy rain). From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed G= ray Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] stalls Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN.=A0 If you are flying lo= w under the hood, I hope you have a well qualified =A0safety pilot No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ---1304071051-1447033725-1357175756=:12422 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I must agree that you need to know your = plane and that includes stalls.  I go to 10,000 and do slow flight,fla= ps and wheels down and clean stalls--three revolutions and I pull out at 3,= 000 to 2,500 feet. My experience with stalls is the nose comes downand= the plane starts a left hand rotation and the plane comes down at 160kts. =  I know that a clean stall is 105 to 108 kts and flaps and wheels down= it is 72 to 78 kts.  In the pattern I have done tight turns but when = doing this I always have the nose down to maintain speed---I never go below= 110kts until on final and then I stay at 100kts until over the runway 10 f= eet or less, slowly reduce power and let it settle on the ground.  Do = not pull power to soon because it will drop like a rock.
Paul Hershorin<= /DIV>
360  471LA

--- On Wed, 1/2/13, David M. Powell CRFA <superdmp@sonic.= net> wrote:

From: David M. Powell CRFA <superdmp@sonic.net= >
Subject: [LML] Re: stalls
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: Wed= nesday, January 2, 2013, 8:15 AM

<= FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2 face=3DArial>I have made the decision prior t= o purchasing to avoid stalls altogether in my 360.  After reading the = stall and stall spin accident information, I just don't think it's worth th= e risk.  On take-off, I stay in ground effect for the half second it t= akes to make it into the green after wheels up; on landing, I approach well= above stall for my flap configuration, and let the speed bleed off only a = few feet above the threshold.  During normal flight, I don't even get = near a typical slow flight speed.  Too many variables in a home built = airplane with no precise envelope, a header tank that is PROBABLY wher= e I think it is, but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck;= possible extra wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain).

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@= lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Gray
Sent: Tuesday, Jan= uary 01, 2013 9:43 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] stalls

Colyn, As= I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN.  If you are flying low unde= r the hood, I hope you have a well qualified  safety pilot

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