X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:45:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([98.139.212.160] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with SMTP id 5991189 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:46:45 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.212.160; envelope-from=bu131@swbell.net Received: from [98.139.212.148] by nm1.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 13:46:10 -0000 Received: from [98.136.87.60] by tm5.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 13:46:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp123-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 02 Jan 2013 13:46:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 62885.98883.bm@smtp123-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: uHq5V1EVM1mo3otL62ZjCevjzAEXsMef0V0UvT_s7OBdf77 fxxueD80oq0GAMwbpvu0sSv8qZhb2foUspVlvGgaTSypfTrP8rBB_obgp_ai 55pululA9S24ZYmgZXGz.EiThhPFqPacX_.ZFZ07Qe0tPH1JD9nEjYUltzbZ V2sF0wWsGrIYRvqYKRQY5dfAMHmYZe6I0N7ay7AgJ8ixcUlkc5l0NeM9ORaj djHRZ68KKKjiQ0gNBM.TAS19hcXSWil00tGpBB_9zydem33dS3ySQle23JFI OsVJTigB3hEdnqyqg2ubdUc23hVoeSKMDfeVwIyR3Dnv1qZEjZvtIiPvfHCD yTtaMq_HO6x1XrmM4f1hzvpNkSgZ0uOfMX_LOs4I9ghyV9YNp1k7Miwk4Fuu o8czW.ZFhBGL9tqd_HSxIcHREUkYe8gYrfg3sleYryyOKYdsnpAyEJYjYj9J Il5CL7cpTXxeQ_P8uH7hu5nTGfrq1UsI_TqCOlo5r0oaJwSNA_yPb26QDlax 34Uo7qYUSNzY6o.wYZ6JSyxcqbQ-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: eERJTJCswBCu0l0QxPF_oyc3n8.DQSe28zFd2dc- Received: from [192.168.1.103] (bu131@99.181.53.104 with xymcookie) by smtp123-mob.biz.mail.ac4.yahoo.com with SMTP; 02 Jan 2013 05:46:09 -0800 PST Subject: Re: [LML] Re: stalls References: From: Andres Katz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-0D9D3C63-255F-4E35-80BD-9F673A060F03 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: <86EC838C-9401-45E0-9E7C-D75E6C1F68FD@swbell.net> X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 07:46:14 -0600 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-0D9D3C63-255F-4E35-80BD-9F673A060F03 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii And I forgot that Hipat training when an engine failure occurs is to get into position alpha t= hen beta and then overhead 360 with everything down flaps high pitch prop, g= ear down and STEEP 90 degree turn to the numbers keeping the appropriate spe= ed (120 kts in IV-P and EVO, 90 knots in a T -6) so when your engine fails a= nd you have the airport in sight with adequate altitude what are you going t= o do? Avoid steep turns ? I can see the crash short of the threshold or at t= he end of the runway, maybe pete Zacagnino can give you some tips on the abo= ve Join lobo and get hipat training. Tell jeff I sent you Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, "David M. Powell CRFA" wrot= e: > I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls altogether in= my 360. After reading the stall and stall spin accident information, I jus= t don't think it's worth the risk. On take-off, I stay in ground effect for= the half second it takes to make it into the green after wheels up; on land= ing, I approach well above stall for my flap configuration, and let the spee= d bleed off only a few feet above the threshold. During normal flight, I do= n't even get near a typical slow flight speed. Too many variables in a home= built airplane with no precise envelope, a header tank that is PROBABLY whe= re I think it is, but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck;= possible extra wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain). >=20 > From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed G= ray > Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] stalls >=20 > Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN. If you are flying low= under the hood, I hope you have a well qualified safety pilot > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12 > Internal Virus Database is out of date. --Apple-Mail-0D9D3C63-255F-4E35-80BD-9F673A060F03 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
And I forgot that
Hipat training when an engine failure occurs is to get into position alpha then beta and then overhead 360 with everything down flaps high pitch prop, gear down and STEEP 90 degree turn to the numbers keeping the appropriate speed (120 kts in IV-P and EVO, 90 knots in a T -6) so when your engine fails and you have the airport in sight with adequate altitude what are you going to do? Avoid steep turns ? I can see the crash short of the threshold or at the end of the runway, maybe pete Zacagnino can give you some tips on the above
Join lobo and get hipat training. Tell jeff I sent you

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On Jan 2, 2013, at 7:15 AM, "David M. Powell CRFA" <superdmp@sonic.net> wrote:

I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls altogether in my 360.  After reading the stall and stall spin accident information, I just don't think it's worth the risk.  On take-off, I stay in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the green after wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my flap configuration, and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above the threshold.  During normal flight, I don't even get near a typical slow flight speed.  Too many variables in a home built airplane with no precise envelope, a header tank that is PROBABLY where I think it is, but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck; possible extra wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain).

From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Gray
Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] stalls

Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN.  If you are flying low under the hood, I hope you have a well qualified  safety pilot

No virus found in this message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12
Internal Virus Database is out of date.

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