X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 09:45:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-mb02.mx.aol.com ([64.12.207.163] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.1) with ESMTP id 5991211 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Jan 2013 08:56:59 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.207.163; envelope-from=Sky2high@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.142]) by imr-mb02.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id 26C6D3800011C for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:56:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from core-mta001b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-mta001.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.234.129]) by mtaomg-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id EF845E00008C for ; Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:56:24 -0500 (EST) From: Sky2high@aol.com Full-name: Sky2high X-Original-Message-ID: <7b83.250644db.3e159688@aol.com> X-Original-Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 08:56:24 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: stalls X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_7b83.250644db.3e159688_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.6 sub 168 X-Originating-IP: [67.175.156.123] x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:475069888:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d338e50e43c880482 --part1_7b83.250644db.3e159688_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You are a candidate for an Angle of Attack device that measures actual conditions on the wing. You would be surprised at the reserve lift available during most maneuvers and the reduced margin at slower speeds/higher angles of attack. However, remember that stalls can occur at any indicated airspeed. You must get near typical slow flight speeds either when you go to OSH or test the emergency gear drop (87 KIAS). You must at least occasionally practice some slow flight speeds to note that partial flap extension dramatically changes the aircraft attitude and its pitch trim requirements and wheel extension does add significant drag. Also the advancing mushiness of the controls as speed decays. From time to time you will land with a passenger and note that it is different when you attempt to slow the rate of descent near the runway. You must be comfortable with pointing the nose down to regain flying speed safety margins. Grayhawk In a message dated 1/2/2013 7:15:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, superdmp@sonic.net writes: I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avoid stalls altogether in my 360. After reading the stall and stall spin accident information, I just don't think it's worth the risk. On take-off, I stay in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the green after wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my flap configuration, and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above the threshold. During normal flight, I don't even get near a typical slow flight speed. Too many variables in a home built airplane with no precise envelope, a header tank that is PROBABLY where I think it is, but could be off by 30 or 40 pounds if the gauge is stuck; possible extra wait in the tail area (water retention after heavy rain). ____________________________________ From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Gray Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] stalls Colyn, As I said, AVOID STEEP TURNS IN THE PATTERN. If you are flying low under the hood, I hope you have a well qualified safety pilot No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - _www.avg.com_ (http://www.avg.com/) Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. --part1_7b83.250644db.3e159688_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You are a candidate for an Angle of Attack device that measures actual= =20 conditions on the wing.  You would be surprised at the reserve lift=20 available during most maneuvers and the reduced margin at slower speeds/hig= her=20 angles of attack.  However, remember that stalls can occur at any indi= cated=20 airspeed.
 
You must get near typical slow flight speeds either when you go to OSH= or=20 test the emergency gear drop (87 KIAS).  You must at=20 least occasionally practice some slow flight speeds to note that= =20 partial flap extension dramatically changes the aircraft attitude= and=20 its pitch trim requirements and wheel extension does add significant drag.&= nbsp;=20 Also the advancing mushiness of the controls as speed decays.   <= /DIV>
 
From time to time you will land with a passenger and note that it is= =20 different when you attempt to slow the rate of descent near the runway.
 
You must be comfortable with pointing the nose down to regain flying s= peed=20 safety margins.
 
Grayhawk
 
In a message dated 1/2/2013 7:15:49 A.M. Central Standard Time,=20 superdmp@sonic.net writes:
=
I have made the decision prior to purchasing to avo= id stalls=20 altogether in my 360.  After reading the stall and stall spin accide= nt=20 information, I just don't think it's worth the risk.  On take-off, I= stay=20 in ground effect for the half second it takes to make it into the green a= fter=20 wheels up; on landing, I approach well above stall for my flap configurat= ion,=20 and let the speed bleed off only a few feet above the threshold.  Du= ring=20 normal flight, I don't even get near a typical slow flight speed.  T= oo=20 many variables in a home built airplane with no precise envelope, a= =20 header tank that is PROBABLY where I think it is, but could be off by 30 = or 40=20 pounds if the gauge is stuck; possible extra wait in the tail area (water= =20 retention after heavy rain).

From: Lancair Mailing List=20 [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Ed Gray
Sent:=20 Tuesday, January 01, 2013 9:43 PM
To:=20 lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] stalls

Colyn, As I said, AV= OID STEEP=20 TURNS IN THE PATTERN.  If you are flying low under the hood, I hope = you=20 have a well qualified  safety pilot

No virus found in this=20 message.
Checked by AVG - www.avg.com
Version: 2013.0.2805 / Vi= rus=20 Database: 2637/5980 - Release Date: 12/23/12
Internal Virus Database i= s out=20 of date.

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