X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:19:12 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-pb0-f52.google.com ([209.85.160.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTPS id 5679661 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 16:42:10 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.160.52; envelope-from=louis.r.gabriel@gmail.com Received: by pbbro8 with SMTP id ro8so3775385pbb.25 for ; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:41:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.68.239.103 with SMTP id vr7mr8494682pbc.0.1343335293171; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:41:33 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: louis@gabriels.us X-Original-Sender: louis.r.gabriel@gmail.com Received: by 10.68.194.170 with HTTP; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:41:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 13:41:33 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: dzIkZ4hWtyQ7ox5u-pfNxlByWgQ X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: IO-360 / VM1000 CHT issues From: Louis Gabriel X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b33da8ef6b72104c5c19eff --047d7b33da8ef6b72104c5c19eff Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hello all! I have a bizarre CHT issue that I'm currently troubleshooting, and I could use some advice and perhaps a source for a part. I have a LNC2 with an IO-360-C1C (angle valve 200 hp). The engine has 365 hours SMOH (which was about 10 years ago), a history of good compressions, and clean oil analysis results. It is burning about half a quart an hour, but I suspect most of that is through the No. 1 cylinder. I'm currently running mineral oil for 25 hours in an attempt to reseat the oil ring in that cylinder. That issue is most likely unrelated, but I figured I'd mention it in case I am overlooking something. I have experienced slightly higher oil temps because of the oil choice, but otherwise no issues. All four EGTs and CHTs are monitored by a Vision Microsystems VM1000. I fly from a 5000' MSL field, and on a normal summer day on a 140 mph climb, I usually see CHTs between 350 and 380. Two flights ago, I took off on a standard climb profile and the No. 2 CHT ran away. Climbing through pattern altitude it was already pushing 400, and after slowing my climb rate, accelerating to 160, and adding fuel, it reached a peak around 420. All the other cylinders were around 350 initially and cooled down to 300-330 while the No. 2 stayed hot. Even downhill on the way back to the airport with the power around 15", the No. 2 stayed high (around 400) while the other three cylinders were in the high 200s / low 300s. The highest oil temp I saw was 212. Upon inspection, there were no obstructions to the airflow, and everything in the cowling looked unchanged--leading me to suspect instrumentation. I was unable to duplicate the problem on the ground; I ran for 15 minutes, got all four cylinders up above 400, and they stayed mostly matched. After cleaning and reseating the connections to the No. 2 CHT probe and double checking the baffling, I went for a test flight...and the problem came back. Once again, the No. 2 went up to around 420 and the others stayed in the mid 300s. The No. 2 stayed hot even after pulling the power. However, after some delay getting into the pattern, they all came down to around 300 before landing and were fairly well matched on the taxi in. At this point, I'm still suspecting a faulty CHT indication, as the engine runs quite smoothly and the cylinder is getting plenty of air. I was wondering if anyone knows the failure mode of VM1000 CHT probes--does this sound like it's on the fritz? Also...does anyone know where I can get a new CHT probe for the system? Am I on the right track with troubleshooting? My next step is to swap the probes from the No. 2 and No. 4 cylinders and see if the problem moves. Thanks for your time everyone - Louis Gabriel LNC2, KRTS --047d7b33da8ef6b72104c5c19eff Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all!

I have a bizarre CHT issue that I&= #39;m currently troubleshooting, and I could use some advice and perhaps a = source for a part.

I have a LNC2 with an IO-360-C1= C (angle valve 200 hp). =A0The engine has 365 hours SMOH (which was about 1= 0 years ago), a history of good compressions, and clean oil analysis result= s. =A0It is burning about half a quart an hour, but I suspect most of that = is through the No. 1 cylinder. =A0I'm currently running mineral oil for= 25 hours in an attempt to reseat the oil ring in that cylinder. =A0That is= sue is most likely unrelated, but I figured I'd mention it in case I am= overlooking something. =A0I have experienced slightly higher oil temps bec= ause of the oil choice, but otherwise no issues.

All four EGTs and CHTs are monitored by a Vision Micros= ystems VM1000. =A0I fly from a 5000' MSL field, and on a normal summer = day on a 140 mph climb, I usually see CHTs between 350 and 380.

Two flights ago, I took off on a standard climb profile and = the No. 2 CHT ran away. =A0Climbing through pattern altitude it was already= pushing 400, and after slowing my climb rate, accelerating to 160, and add= ing fuel, it reached a peak around 420. =A0All the other cylinders were aro= und 350 initially and cooled down to 300-330 while the No. 2 stayed hot. = =A0Even downhill on the way back to the airport with the power around 15&qu= ot;, the No. 2 stayed high (around 400) while the other three cylinders wer= e in the high 200s / low 300s. =A0The highest oil temp I saw was 212.

Upon inspection, there were no obstructions to the airf= low, and everything in the cowling looked unchanged--leading me to suspect = instrumentation.

I was unable to duplicate the pro= blem on the ground; I ran for 15 minutes, got all four cylinders up above 4= 00, and they stayed mostly matched.

After cleaning and reseating the connections to the No.= 2 CHT probe and double checking the baffling, I went for a test flight...a= nd the problem came back. =A0Once again, the No. 2 went up to around 420 an= d the others stayed in the mid 300s. =A0The No. 2 stayed hot even after pul= ling the power. =A0However, after some delay getting into the pattern, they= all came down to around 300 before landing and were fairly well matched on= the taxi in.

At this point, I'm still suspecting a faulty CHT in= dication, as the engine runs quite smoothly and the cylinder is getting ple= nty of air.

I was wondering if anyone knows the fa= ilure mode of VM1000 CHT probes--does this sound like it's on the fritz= ? =A0Also...does anyone know where I can get a new CHT probe for the system= ? =A0Am I on the right track with troubleshooting?

My next step is to swap the probes from the No. 2 and N= o. 4 cylinders and see if the problem moves.

Thank= s for your time everyone -=A0

Louis Gabriel
LNC2, KRTS




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