X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 23:19:12 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm6-vm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.71] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with SMTP id 5679921 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 26 Jul 2012 19:19:12 -0400 Received-SPF: neutral receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.71; envelope-from=browncc1@verizon.net Received: from [98.138.90.49] by nm6.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 23:18:38 -0000 Received: from [68.142.194.243] by tm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 23:18:38 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.111] by t1.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 23:18:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Jul 2012 23:18:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 718898.5901.bm@omp1016.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 63963 invoked from network); 26 Jul 2012 23:18:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: TDENLLoVM1mjOXUFcO4VKaABwV0niLnXIeVIfvKV3UVmpq0 6WAPZaESBzaAaTaUJr8kOhlu8E5uru529r_UlCMvwq0I740lzEh3lhIugit7 _nkqJWB_VsEK9hpFQnsox8JBvRMJneRc0gPK9s9vEMD33Zwoaj6sg5bWYLhd 66cb7KIswN.mA7j5r6RVlkB3P7TcbehnJXNTgi0ZRmiD_pKmvKjL6EyTrHV8 nNR_lu6qPIr47N4dejkGXFTL6vHQ5Om0xwoHKmYV7PViEq8Tr_cbWRBg1xSX XX87aKA4BpJVbpyNLMrPnQ9Pv0BwmphFDYzkVncMFq5xXpLdiXwMACF0.Qb7 i43pHHJNwfaecWQp3di2iaB9Vie5ILcl4oA4lfsZprVyPBweP0WHLyPLsxRE VrKGFJ5L0J2Yl7HSu9JMSLmAw2ukhZ6pJIQo6W073vJ.oYSowzqI90c9NHpQ DRhsR61kOQdyE6v_MhL4kcPkipMrUnATqZj3RDFeJq3AXfXlgeRUcci4rmCi rtHM0ZU7dVW0j8n9OX2ZIjFbBHxERDJStaLdtQCJ49kN0Cgc- X-Yahoo-SMTP: F49l9g6swBC0R9n8vJIbm7Tf3P8Xlmia8rHIwTlO__Ml Received: from chass-imac-2.home (browncc1@72.64.105.53 with plain) by smtp104.vzn.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Jul 2012 16:18:38 -0700 PDT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Subject: Re: [LML] Re: New Turbine Engine - want HP and efficiency for your IVP? From: Charles Brown In-Reply-To: X-Original-Date: Thu, 26 Jul 2012 18:18:37 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Original-Message-Id: <3E8B8624-199E-4364-86E5-640DB3A51357@verizon.net> References: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) You've made an excellent point. Payloads should be compared at a = constant range so that airplanes with big fuel tanks aren't penalized. = My point is that while folks are dreaming about diesels, turbines and = pressurization, they need to consider the system impact. An engine's = fuel efficiency, taken out of context, is nearly meaningless. =20 On Jul 26, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Paul Miller wrote: Well, not really. More than 2500 useful load for the older models and = 1800 pounds fuel for 1500 nm range. So, dump 30g kerosene for another = pax and range drops 140nm. Full fuel on a TBM is really a big number = and unlike any piston. Normal operating empty is only 4100 pounds for = the A model. It really is a 4 person airplane taking into account = range, seating, luggage and typical trips. The new 850 has even higher = useful load numbers at triple the price. Paul Calgary On 2012-07-26, at 9:22, Charles Brown wrote: > The Socata TBM is really a 2-person airplane with full fuel because of = the pressure hull weight; -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html