X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 12:27:04 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-gg0-f180.google.com ([209.85.161.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0c1) with ESMTPS id 5677228 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 10:43:39 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.180; envelope-from=pjdmiller@gmail.com Received: by ggnf1 with SMTP id f1so699710ggn.25 for ; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.72.163 with SMTP id e3mr13138034pav.42.1343227382305; Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:43:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.15.2] (S01060017ee00b6c0.cg.shawcable.net. [174.0.115.173]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id ku7sm14501097pbc.31.2012.07.25.07.43.01 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 25 Jul 2012 07:43:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Paul Miller Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1278) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_D9983D78-F033-4EE2-95C0-FF1122D6FC32" Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Cessna Diesels and New Turbine Engine X-Original-Date: Wed, 25 Jul 2012 08:42:46 -0600 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <921E1110-1E3F-417A-A643-0D7591BE0E29@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) --Apple-Mail=_D9983D78-F033-4EE2-95C0-FF1122D6FC32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 I think Cessna has a good idea. Kerosene is much easier to source than = AVGAS in many areas including Alaska, Europe, northern Canada. I think = the concept is sound and shows that the diesel is making inroads into = single engine manufacturing lines.=20 Paul Calgary On 2012-07-25, at 7:43 AM, Matt Hapgood wrote: > Except the gas burning 182 was an old price. The analysis below = assumes a new gas 182 would have held the same price. Who knows whether = or not a gas-powered 182 would have had a 10% price increase for the new = year=85 >=20 > Matt >=20 > From: Frederick Moreno > Reply-To: Lancair List > Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 8:09 AM > To: Lancair List > Subject: [LML] Cessna Diesels and New Turbine Engine >=20 > Gas burning 182: $443,500. Diesel burning 182 (11 gallons per hour): = $515,000. Difference $71,500. Depending on assumptions, savings from = fuel repays capital cost in maybe 2000-3000 hours. Interest on purchase = load is 7%, and the annual cost for additional interest is about $5000. = Can you save this much per year to break even and save nothing? = Hmmmm.... Sounds unconvincing to me. Going to have a marketing = problem.=20 > =20 > However, in parts of Africa and elsewhere where there is no avgas and = thus no other option.... > =20 > F > =20 > With this kind of engine in the pipeline, > = http://www.aopa.org/oshkosh/2012/news/120723cessna-unveils-turbodiesel-182= .html > 240HP turbines sucking 28-32 gph are going to have a marketing = problem. > =20 > Wolfgang --Apple-Mail=_D9983D78-F033-4EE2-95C0-FF1122D6FC32 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 I = think Cessna has a good idea.   Kerosene is much easier to source = than AVGAS in many areas including Alaska, Europe, northern Canada. =  I think the concept is sound and shows that the diesel is making = inroads into single engine manufacturing = lines. 

Paul
Calgary
On = 2012-07-25, at 7:43 AM, Matt Hapgood wrote:

Except the gas = burning 182 was an old price.  The analysis below assumes a new gas = 182 would have held the same price.  Who knows whether or not a = gas-powered 182 would have had a 10% price increase for the new = year=85

Matt

From: = Frederick Moreno <frederickmoreno@bigpond.com>
Reply-To: Lancair List = <lml@lancaironline.net>
Date: Wednesday, July 25, 2012 = 8:09 AM
To: Lancair List = <lml@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [LML] Cessna Diesels and = New Turbine Engine

Gas burning 182: $443,500.  = Diesel burning 182 (11 gallons per hour):  $515,000.  = Difference $71,500.  Depending on assumptions, savings from  = fuel repays capital cost in maybe 2000-3000 hours.  Interest on = purchase load is 7%, and the annual cost for additional interest is = about $5000.  Can you save this much per year to break even and = save nothing?  Hmmmm....   Sounds unconvincing to = me.   Going to have a marketing problem.  =
 
However, in parts of Africa and elsewhere = where there is no avgas and thus no other = option....
 
F
  
=
With = this kind of engine in the pipeline,
240HP turbines sucking 28-32 gph are = going to have a marketing = problem.
 
Wolfgang

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