X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 15:30:40 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from nm1-vm4.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.161] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.6) with SMTP id 5655899 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 12:07:49 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.138.91.161; envelope-from=cwfmd@yahoo.com Received: from [98.138.90.54] by nm1.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 16:07:15 -0000 Received: from [68.142.200.221] by tm7.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 16:07:15 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.121] by t9.bullet.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 16:07:15 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Jul 2012 16:07:15 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 283978.83635.bm@omp1026.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28505 invoked by uid 60001); 17 Jul 2012 16:07:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Message-ID:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=5k2TpBdZ6MVUyM/kTgjHk/VRORKEhF+eHALJmRfo2pZA6E/DgW3mu07QIrvNP/sBeISbFLGqF3eox/DPBcSSK2GadddYRxdqskCtYS45cB8IHSgcZ9H9zsobJt6LjV8vs2G7QRFR8Pz1R44U2UMhACp6i/3brJE/TGon7XXLLXg=; X-YMail-OSG: oW109kcVM1myNZ_GimXTRlcgyMBzLP7FNHH3mWABNzXFY3K MRHawe8MBNuwi9f83teCNceDiA9NAnpNNmYOU35SoIwwPpFcQU7sRN2m.D0w vKWmoeX5dJdQ0KBw8l3XibDOIIJp_nTYFGr09s5wUl9t3hQsYq6efwSRQhnY ERXvjLSW2mnh5_YzJ1LmUJbd7OtVo6y0CRa3tSO.xlyG19lGswV4Bfz7OFeQ i.fXWsF4IFlPm3.wna4PodWFOSnStZgMhs60oES1tZIH.PuJd1BJQKpuxXQz WDHIrjkFSvzfjHh8IpARwi8d4NtRaTU6Aqs38Z5c1zhe.fzVw7Cjz9VtSeYF I4f7UbT8IbChzx_orp35n5VYc1ZmfF8ygsvqwHvhv54XjTyNp8UzEAg4P0dO ZIlJPL7GYQV8CUDTv05R738j2_UHzq6Ygt1zLfvBDzo_n5GRDkRrW2m9HKME u Received: from [98.196.182.216] by web181701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:07:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailClassic/15.0.8 YahooMailWebService/0.8.120.356233 X-Original-Message-ID: <1342541234.16429.YahooMailClassic@web181701.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> X-Original-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:07:14 -0700 (PDT) From: cwfmd@yahoo.com Subject: Flutter/VNE X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-965327069-1824320830-1342541234=:16429" ---965327069-1824320830-1342541234=:16429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This might be beating a dead horse, but flutter analysis, even in mil spec = or FAA certified,=A0is a bit of a black art. There's lots on non-linear, ha= rd-to-model structural, aerodynamic, and math mysteries. A huge amount of j= udgment and experience applies here. =A0=A0In certified airplanes, we=A0suspect they sample random structures of= f the line, over time, to verify the original flight test model. Or maybe e= ven go back to flight test, if mishaps or other reports suggest flutter. If= you are Chuck Yeager, you get to fly a notorious driven mass device, that = drives the oscillation at resonance=A0 (evil smile) =A0(=A0 2nd order systems are usually junior or senior level E school cours= es, after 2nd yr Calculus and Diff-E. Even those who survived it, forgot th= e technique, if not applied regularly... State-space? Anyone? Anyone?=A0=A0= ) =A0How would we do, either testing(not) or sampling,=A0when all the builder= s have varying experience, and=A0factories are at separate locations? Published VNE only applies to Lance's original build and his test on one ar= ticle. I'm sure we signed a waiver to that effect in this process! =A0 It would be fairly cheap to mount an Accelerometer out on the wing, and= hook it up to an analog input on the EFIS. Certain frequencies and amplitu= des could trigger a warning. This is the only way to be certain, of VNE,=A0= to the level indicated above, for Mil and FAA standards. Y'all be careful out there ---965327069-1824320830-1342541234=:16429 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This might be beating a dead horse, but = flutter analysis, even in mil spec or FAA certified, is a bit of a bla= ck art. There's lots on non-linear, hard-to-model structural, aerodynamic, = and math mysteries. A huge amount of judgment and experience applies here.<= /DIV>
  In certified airplanes, we suspect they sample random= structures off the line, over time, to verify the original flight test mod= el. Or maybe even go back to flight test, if mishaps or other reports sugge= st flutter. If you are Chuck Yeager, you get to fly a notoriou= s driven mass device, that drives the oscillation at resonance  (evil = smile)
 (  2nd order systems are usually junior or senior level= E school courses, after 2nd yr Calculus and Diff-E. Even those who survive= d it, forgot the technique, if not applied regularly... State-space? Anyone= ? Anyone?   )
 How would we do, either testing(not) or sampling, when all = the builders have varying experience, and factories are at separate lo= cations?
Published VNE only applies to Lance's original build and his test on o= ne article. I'm sure we signed a waiver to that effect in this process!
  It would be fairly cheap to mount an Accelerometer out on the w= ing, and hook it up to an analog input on the EFIS. Certain frequencies and= amplitudes could trigger a warning. This is the only way to be certain, of= VNE, to the level indicated above, for Mil and FAA standards.
Y'all be careful out there
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