X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 14:42:34 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from carbinge.com ([69.5.27.218] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with SMTP id 5321947 for lml@lancaironline.net; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 09:59:18 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.5.27.218; envelope-from=jbarrett@carbinge.com Received: (qmail 1953 invoked from network); 21 Dec 2011 14:58:41 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; h=X-Originating-IP:Reply-To:From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:Content-Language; s=default; d=carbinge.com; b=kf8T3hfz9QacSWsPxrX7jUnO3FfcKadVnNo39wXYBsWUhcKDEYY6HyKdso2a6fB/wtGx4PCzFEJNJBC6gP+9Y1tZlJwuUHtgD8t7cWIoisDC8lM4u/2uqmOZQN3CSyEPMxguLaMFjWnLQgP2xY+sXnXha+0Jnn61Js2Gbp1L4T8=; X-Originating-IP: [24.143.115.170] Reply-To: From: "John Barrett" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: MGL back up instrumentr X-Original-Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 06:58:48 -0800 X-Original-Message-ID: <022801ccbff1$0c181470$24483d50$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0229_01CCBFAD.FDF4D470" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acy/7p8kPDqogSg7SQ+0TmlkS5DKYgAAgmpA Content-Language: en-us This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0229_01CCBFAD.FDF4D470 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let=E2=80=99s see, =20 First concern =E2=80=93 how close to the ground will I be when I break = out VFR? =20 =20 Second concern =E2=80=93 how will I get the IVP out of the spin I = intentionally initiated? =20 Wait a minute! Maybe the second concern should be the first concern. = Or maybe it doesn=E2=80=99t matter. Maybe it would be best to get = mechanical back up gauges? =20 John =20 From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = vtailjeff@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 6:41 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: MGL back up instrumentr =20 Terrence, =20 You first. ;) =20 Jeff=20 Sent from my iPad On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:11 PM, "Bruce" wrote: And if the scud goes down to 200 feet AGL? =20 Bruce WWW.Glasair.org=20 -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = Terrence O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:59 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: MGL back up instrumentr =20 John, =20 Good question. I was thinking VFR. Now you're making me think of IFR. Well, I recall Jimmy Doolittle's recanting flying his Peashooter over = the overcast to some town in the Andes, which was socked in. So he just = put 'er into a spin, and recovered when he broke out under the clouds. = : ) Simple enough? So we need part of partial panel: needle, ball, and (no vacuum required) = an AOA vane. =20 Step on the ball, stop the turn (needle), and hold the trim-altitude... = or AOA. The skid-ball is easy. The problem is the needle... so I'm = wondering if the R/C guys have a pizeo thingey that shows which way = you're turning? =20 Anyone? =20 Terrence L235/320 N211AL =20 =20 On Dec 20, 2011, at 7:06 AM, John Barrett wrote: Terrance, =20 A most unorthodox choice of substitute for altimeter and a/s indicators. = These instruments are primarily there as worst case back up instruments = for saving my ass when everything except the engine fails while in IMC. = No more GPS, PFDS etc. Maybe the G496 will still work off it's battery. = If so that may solve the problem but if not? =20 A purely mechanical AOA might help me to keep from stalling but how = could I rely on it to get me out of IMC safely? =20 John Sent from my iPad =20 On Dec 19, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Terrence O'Neill = wrote: Lurking, might one quietly suggest that the ultimate backup would be a = simple, mechanical AOA vane on the wing? That's all you need to keep from stalling, as you can see the ground. =20 Terrence L235/320 N211AL =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0229_01CCBFAD.FDF4D470 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Let=E2=80=99s see,

 

First concern =E2=80=93 how close to the ground will I be when I = break out VFR?=C2=A0

 

Second concern =E2=80=93 how will I get the IVP out of the spin I = intentionally initiated?

 

Wait a minute!=C2=A0 Maybe the second concern should be the first = concern.=C2=A0 Or maybe it doesn=E2=80=99t matter.=C2=A0 Maybe it would = be best to get mechanical back up gauges?

 

John

 

From:= = Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of = vtailjeff@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 6:41 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: MGL = back up instrumentr

 

Terrence,

 

You first. ;)

 

Jeff 

Sent from my = iPad


On Dec 20, 2011, at 1:11 PM, = "Bruce" <BGray@glasair.org> = wrote:

An= d if the scud goes down to 200 feet AGL?

&n= bsp;

Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org =

-----Origina= l Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing List = [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Terrence = O'Neill
Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:59 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Sub= ject: [LML] Re: MGL back up instrumentr

 

John,

 

Good question.  I was = thinking VFR.

Now you're making me think of = IFR.

Well, I recall Jimmy Doolittle's recanting = flying his Peashooter over the overcast to some town in the Andes, which = was socked in.  So he just put 'er into a spin, and recovered when = he broke out under the clouds.  : )  Simple = enough?

So we need part of partial panel: needle, = ball, and (no vacuum required) an AOA vane. =  

Step on the ball, stop the turn (needle), and = hold the trim-altitude... or AOA.  The skid-ball is easy. The = problem is the needle... so I'm wondering if the R/C guys have a pizeo = thingey that shows which way you're turning? =  

Anyone?

 

Terrence

L235/320 = N211AL

 

 

On Dec 20, 2011, at 7:06 = AM, John Barrett wrote:




Terrance,

 

A most unorthodox choice of = substitute for altimeter and a/s indicators.  These instruments are = primarily there as worst case back up instruments for saving my ass when = everything except the engine fails while in IMC.  No more GPS, PFDS = etc.  Maybe the G496 will still work off it's battery. If so that = may solve the problem but if not?

 

A purely mechanical AOA = might help me to keep from stalling but how could I rely on it to get me = out of IMC safely?

 

John


Sent from my = iPad

 


On Dec 19, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Terrence O'Neill <troneill@charter.net> = wrote:

Lurking, might one quietly = suggest that the ultimate backup would be a simple, mechanical AOA vane = on the wing?

That's all you need to keep from stalling, as = you can see the ground.

 

Terrence

<= p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>L235/320 = N211AL

 

 

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