X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:11:29 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.glasair.org ([65.75.24.102] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.3) with ESMTPS id 5320572 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:42:49 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=65.75.24.102; envelope-from=BGray@glasair.org Received: from gray1 by mail.glasair.org (VisNetic.MailServer.v9.1.4.1) with ESMTP id DBK57711 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:42:11 -0500 From: "Bruce" X-Original-To: "'Lancair Mailing List'" Subject: RE: [LML] Re: MGL back up instrumentr X-Original-Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:42:10 -0500 X-Original-Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007F_01CCBF04.0756B880" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6109 In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CCBF04.0756B880 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And if the scud goes down to 200 feet AGL? Bruce WWW.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Terrence O'Neill Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 9:59 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: MGL back up instrumentr John, Good question. I was thinking VFR. Now you're making me think of IFR. Well, I recall Jimmy Doolittle's recanting flying his Peashooter over the overcast to some town in the Andes, which was socked in. So he just put 'er into a spin, and recovered when he broke out under the clouds. : ) Simple enough? So we need part of partial panel: needle, ball, and (no vacuum required) an AOA vane. Step on the ball, stop the turn (needle), and hold the trim-altitude... or AOA. The skid-ball is easy. The problem is the needle... so I'm wondering if the R/C guys have a pizeo thingey that shows which way you're turning? Anyone? Terrence L235/320 N211AL On Dec 20, 2011, at 7:06 AM, John Barrett wrote: Terrance, A most unorthodox choice of substitute for altimeter and a/s indicators. These instruments are primarily there as worst case back up instruments for saving my ass when everything except the engine fails while in IMC. No more GPS, PFDS etc. Maybe the G496 will still work off it's battery. If so that may solve the problem but if not? A purely mechanical AOA might help me to keep from stalling but how could I rely on it to get me out of IMC safely? John Sent from my iPad On Dec 19, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Terrence O'Neill wrote: Lurking, might one quietly suggest that the ultimate backup would be a simple, mechanical AOA vane on the wing? That's all you need to keep from stalling, as you can see the ground. Terrence L235/320 N211AL ------=_NextPart_000_007F_01CCBF04.0756B880 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

And if the scud goes down to 200 = feet AGL?

 

Bruce
WWW.Glasair.org

-----Original = Message-----
From: Lancair Mailing = List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Terrence O'Neill
Sent: Tuesday, December = 20, 2011 9:59 AM
To: = lml@lancaironline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: MGL = back up instrumentr

 

John,

 

Good question.  I was thinking = VFR.

Now you're making me think of = IFR.

Well, I recall Jimmy Doolittle's recanting = flying his Peashooter over the overcast to some town in the Andes, which was socked = in.  So he just put 'er into a spin, and recovered when he broke out = under the clouds.  : )  Simple enough?

So we need part of partial panel: needle, = ball, and (no vacuum required) an AOA vane.  

Step on the ball, stop the turn (needle), and = hold the trim-altitude... or AOA.  The skid-ball is easy. The problem is the needle... so I'm wondering if the R/C guys have a pizeo thingey that = shows which way you're turning?  

Anyone?

 

Terrence

L235/320 N211AL

 

 

On Dec 20, 2011, at 7:06 AM, John Barrett = wrote:



Terrance,

 

A most unorthodox choice of substitute for = altimeter and a/s indicators.  These instruments are primarily there as worst = case back up instruments for saving my ass when everything except the engine = fails while in IMC.  No more GPS, PFDS etc.  Maybe the G496 will = still work off it's battery. If so that may solve the problem but if = not?

 

A purely mechanical AOA might help me to keep = from stalling but how could I rely on it to get me out of IMC = safely?

 

John


Sent from my iPad

 


On Dec 19, 2011, at 10:45 AM, Terrence O'Neill <troneill@charter.net> = wrote:

Lurking, might one quietly suggest that the = ultimate backup would be a simple, mechanical AOA vane on the = wing?

That's all you need to keep from stalling, as = you can see the ground.

 

Terrence

L235/320 N211AL

 

 

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