X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:36:56 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail-ey0-f180.google.com ([209.85.215.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTPS id 5303537 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 17:49:19 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.215.180; envelope-from=fluffysheap@gmail.com Received: by eaa13 with SMTP id 13so165228eaa.25 for ; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:48:42 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.10.65 with SMTP id o1mr12619bko.19.1323816522660; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:48:42 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.169.81 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Dec 2011 14:48:42 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: X-Original-Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 15:48:42 -0700 X-Original-Message-ID: Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Digital nav charts for iPad From: William Wilson X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd13294ba0d04b4010dd1 --0015175cd13294ba0d04b4010dd1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 You can get a gadget called a MiFi, available from Verizon, Sprint and others. This will take a wifi-only device and connect it to the internet via a cellular network. Although it's yet another thing to buy and carry, they are extremely lightweight. On some plans, you can simply activate the device when you need it, have wi-fi wherever you go and then deactivate it again when you are done, paying only a couple dollars. Another option is to get "tethering" set up on your cell phone (iPhone and Android can do this, dumb phones can't, I don't know about Blackberry) which will allow you to connect wi-fi devices and allow them internet access over your phone connection. Cell phone carriers try to charge money for this (even though you already paid for the data, and you paid for the phone, and they didn't even write the software that makes it work) but there are ways around it if the idea of paying for something twice offends you. On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Bill Wade wrote: > I just bought a G3 unit. Haven't actually had a chance to use it in > flight but my instructor has a G3 unit with X-Wing and loves it. He hasn't > had any problem with signal, and from my understanding the unit is pretty > accurate- not to WAAS standards perhaps but good enough for most usage. > Wi-fi isn't always available- for example, my home base doesn't have it. > If you travel to rural locations there are still places without broadband > and depending on where you stay they may not have wireless installed. There > have been times when I've had to make daily drives to a Wi-fi location to > get prog charts for trip planning. Having G3 available gives another option > and would allow a last minute update before departure. Downside is it's a > relatively expensive way to get the info but if I purchased a few GB before > starting a trip I'd be covered for a month. I got Verizon because of the > coverage in the areas I go to, but I haven't activated it yet so I don't > know how well it works. > I'm currently running a 30-day trial of X-Wing, but bought Foreflight Pro > with the georeferenced plates & taxi diagrams. I have a 530 and that shows > position on approach but I think it'll be helpful when taxiing in an > unfamiliar airport. I was really impressed by the ability to organize > plates into "binders" so I can pull up all the plates for an airport or for > a trip and immediately select from thumbnails of them. The weather charting > is similar, showing thumbnails of the choices. > X-wing has the split screen so I could display Sectional/IFR Enroute. It > seemed a bit easier to set up a route. X-wing also is able to display > multiple overlays, while Foreflight does one at a time. Foreflight does > have a operator's manual that can be downloaded to learn about features. > Since I currently have both loaded, I may try using X-wing for enroute > and switch over to Foreflight for approach. The Ipad loads programs so > quickly I think that could work very well. As both display current position > on the maps the changeover should be almost seamless. -Bill Wade > > -----Original Message----- From: Terrence O'Neill > Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:22 PM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: [LML] Re: Digital nav charts for iPad > > > Randy, thanks. I'm trying to understand whether i want the G3 or not, vs. > just with wi-fi and maybe add a Bad Elf later. What else does the G3 give > you besides the faux GPS? > For mounting, I thought mine might fit right above and cover the throttle > and mixture, which I work without looking at anyway. Not much room in there. > > Terrence > > > On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Randy wrote: > > Terence, I purchased an iPad just for the wingx application. So far both >> the iPad and application have performed flawlessly . I have the iPad with >> the built in gps and love it. I am looking for a screen cover that cuts >> down on the glare however. I would also like to find a way to mount the >> iPad in the airplane as it is cumbersome in the cockpit. Some sort of stick >> mount may work. >> >> Hope that helps. >> >> Randy Snarr >> N694RS >> 235/320 >> >> Sent from my iPadhttp://www.amazon.com/**Kodak-Easyshare-C1505-Digital-** >> Camera/dp/B005AKS4DA/ref=sr_1_**83?ie=UTF8&qid=1323543515&sr=**8-83 >> >> On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Terrence O'Neill >> wrote: >> >> What's the latest good/bad experience for how the digital charts etc. >>> are working for an iPad wi-fi.? WingX or ??? >>> Terrence >>> L235/320 N211AL >>> -- >>> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:** >>> 81/lists/lml/List.html >>> >> >> -- >> For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:** >> 81/lists/lml/List.html >> > > > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:** > 81/lists/lml/List.html > > > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:** > 81/lists/lml/List.html > --0015175cd13294ba0d04b4010dd1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You can get a gadget called a MiFi, available from Verizon, Sprint and othe= rs.=A0 This will take a wifi-only device and connect it to the internet via= a cellular network.=A0 Although it's yet another thing to buy and carr= y, they are extremely lightweight.=A0 On some plans, you can simply activat= e the device when you need it, have wi-fi wherever you go and then deactiva= te it again when you are done, paying only a couple dollars.

Another option is to get "tethering" set up on your cell phon= e (iPhone and Android can do this, dumb phones can't, I don't know = about Blackberry) which will allow you to connect wi-fi devices and allow t= hem internet access over your phone connection.=A0 Cell phone carriers try = to charge money for this (even though you already paid for the data, and yo= u paid for the phone, and they didn't even write the software that make= s it work) but there are ways around it if the idea of paying for something= twice offends you.

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Bill Wade <= span dir=3D"ltr"><super= _chipmunk@roadrunner.com> wrote:
=A0I just bought a G3 unit. Haven't actually had a chance to use it in = flight but my instructor has a G3 unit with X-Wing and loves it. He hasn= 9;t had any problem with signal, and from my understanding the unit is pret= ty accurate- not to WAAS standards perhaps but good enough for most usage.<= br> =A0Wi-fi isn't always available- for example, my home base doesn't = have it. If you travel to rural locations there are still places without br= oadband and depending on where you stay they may not have wireless installe= d. There have been times when I've had to make daily drives to a Wi-fi = location to get prog charts for trip planning. Having G3 available gives an= other option and would allow a last minute update before departure. Downsid= e is it's a relatively expensive way to get the info but if I purchased= a few GB before starting a trip I'd be covered for a month. I got Veri= zon because of the coverage in the areas I go to, but I haven't activat= ed it yet so I don't know how well it works.
=A0I'm currently running a 30-day trial of X-Wing, but bought Forefligh= t Pro with the georeferenced plates & taxi diagrams. I have a 530 and t= hat shows position on approach but I think it'll be helpful when taxiin= g in an unfamiliar airport. I was really impressed by the ability to organi= ze plates into "binders" so I can pull up all the plates for an a= irport or for a trip and immediately select from thumbnails of them. The we= ather charting is similar, showing thumbnails of the choices.
=A0X-wing has the split screen so I could display Sectional/IFR Enroute. It= seemed a bit easier to set up a route. X-wing also is able to display mult= iple overlays, while Foreflight does one at a time. Foreflight does have a = operator's manual that can be downloaded to learn about features.
=A0Since I currently have both loaded, I may try using X-wing for enroute a= nd switch over to Foreflight for approach. The Ipad loads programs so quick= ly I think that could work very well. As both display current position on t= he maps the changeover should be almost seamless. =A0-Bill Wade

-----Original Message----- From: Terrence O'Neill
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:22 PM
To: lml@lancairo= nline.net
Subject: [LML] Re: Digital nav charts for iPad


Randy, thanks. =A0I'm trying to understand whether i want the G3 or not= , vs. just with wi-fi and maybe add a Bad Elf later. =A0What else does the = G3 give you besides the faux GPS?
For mounting, I thought mine might fit right above and cover the throttle a= nd mixture, which I work without looking at anyway. Not much room in there.=

Terrence


On Dec 13, 2011, at 8:58 AM, Randy wrote:

Terence, I purchased an iPad just for the wingx application. So far both th= e iPad and application have performed flawlessly . I have the iPad with the= built in gps and love it. I am looking for a screen cover that cuts down o= n the glare however. =A0I would also like to find a way to mount the iPad i= n the airplane as it is cumbersome in the cockpit. Some sort of stick mount= may work.

Hope that helps.

Randy Snarr
N694RS
235/320

Sent from my iPadhttp://www.amazon.com/Kodak-Easyshare-C= 1505-Digital-Camera/dp/B005AKS4DA/ref=3Dsr_1_83?ie=3DUTF8&= ;qid=3D1323543515&sr=3D8-83

On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:24 PM, Terrence O'Neill <troneill@charter.net> wrote:
What's the latest good/bad experience for how the digital charts etc. a= re working for an iPad wi-fi.? =A0WingX or ???
Terrence
L235/320 N211AL
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