X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2011 06:01:11 -0500 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from [198.64.152.110] (HELO sdc.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5294917 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:55:57 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=198.64.152.110; envelope-from=Ronald@sdc.com Received: from [192.168.1.103] [68.202.60.96] by sdc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD-11.5) id 91580001bb3b6b80; Tue, 6 Dec 2011 20:52:11 -0500 From: Ronald STEVENS Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_3BD642AC-0F33-47AB-89E5-B9D05E879E2C" Subject: Re: [LML] Rich of peak setting TSIO550 X-Original-Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 20:55:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <949AD2DE-4E76-4C88-BB52-6909EF15B83D@sdc.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) --Apple-Mail=_3BD642AC-0F33-47AB-89E5-B9D05E879E2C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Ralf I understand that you like to go fast, and believe me, I explored also = all ROP/LOP with temps etc. But the best answer to your question is: 70% = power ROP =3D 70% power LOP, or in other words, when you are running = your engine at 70% power it doesn't matter if you are running LOP or ROP = ! 70% power of 350hp =3D 245hp and if you do this running LOP or ROP it = stays the same hp and therefore (in theory) your plane should fly the = same speed (this I gathered at the last Lancair meeting from Tim Roehl, = GAMI over lunch, really good stuff) So....now the question stays, how much fuel flow do I need to get 70%hp = from a 350hp engine, because that is what is moving your plane forward. = (you can google the numbers but if I remember correctly = ~18.5gph/2500rpm/32map but don't take my word for it, you just have to = make sure you are at least 70 degrees LOP to run it that high, at lower = MAP you can go even back to 25 degrees LOP) Just keep in mind that running your engine at 70%hp is really the same = LOP or ROP (now I know that perhaps your engine monitor says that you = are at 70% but they also have their error margin, best thing to do is to = calculate it through). I hope this helps.....it did with me :)~ And who doesn't want to save = money if the plane is flying the same speed LOP :)~ -- Ronald (110hours LNC4, 360hours Velocity TXL5, 1100hours Cirrus sr22 = and some....) ps I also asked Tim using TIT as tool and he confirmed that TIT is the = average temp from your cylinders, but important here is that the GAMI = spread should be very small (like < 0.5 gph) otherwise you could run = into troubles without knowing this.=20 On Dec 6, 2011, at 3:23 PM, = wrote: > Dear subscribers, > =20 > When I run the engine lean of peak with a turbo temp around 1650 = degree (75 LOP) I get really nice results in regards to head temp and = IAS. > =20 > Studying the articles I understand that coming from the lean side = first the TIT peaks and then head temps will peak later (means richer). > =20 > In case I really want to go fast sometime and don=92t care about fuel = consumption: > =20 > Can anyone give me a temp spread that I need to stay on the rich side = from the peak TIT in order to be on the declining rich side of the head = temp line and be safe? > =20 > Or is there another procedure to run ROP and have nice cool head = temps. The fuel flow settings in the Continental for ROP operation make = my head temps slowly creep above 400. > =20 > Thanks for your help > =20 > Ralf > =20 --Apple-Mail=_3BD642AC-0F33-47AB-89E5-B9D05E879E2C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Hi Ralf

I understand that you = like to go fast, and believe me, I explored also all ROP/LOP with temps = etc. But the best answer to your question is: 70% power ROP =3D 70% = power LOP, or in other words, when you are running your engine at 70% = power it doesn't matter if you are running LOP or ROP = !

70% power of 350hp =3D 245hp and if you do this = running LOP or ROP it stays the same hp and therefore (in theory) your = plane should fly the same speed (this I gathered at the last Lancair = meeting from Tim Roehl, GAMI over lunch, really good = stuff)

So....now the question stays, how much = fuel flow do I need to get 70%hp from a 350hp engine, because that is = what is moving your plane forward. (you can google the numbers but if I = remember correctly ~18.5gph/2500rpm/32map but don't take my word for it, = you just have to make sure you are at least 70 degrees LOP to run it = that high, at lower MAP you can go even back to 25 degrees = LOP)

Just keep in mind that running your engine = at 70%hp is really the same LOP or ROP (now I know that perhaps your = engine monitor says that you are at 70% but they also have their error = margin, best thing to do is to calculate it = through).

I hope this helps.....it did with me = :)~ And who doesn't want to save money if the plane is flying the same = speed LOP :)~

-- Ronald (110hours LNC4, = 360hours Velocity TXL5, 1100hours Cirrus sr22 and = some....)

ps I also asked Tim using TIT as tool = and he confirmed that TIT is the average temp from your cylinders, but = important here is that the GAMI spread should be very small (like < = 0.5 gph) otherwise you could run into troubles without knowing = this. 


Dear = subscribers,
 
When I run the engine lean of peak with a turbo temp = around 1650 degree (75 LOP) I get really nice results in regards to head = temp and IAS.
 
Studying the articles I understand that coming from the = lean side first the TIT peaks and then head temps will peak later (means = richer).
 
In case I really want to go fast sometime and don=92t care = about fuel consumption:
 
Can anyone give me a temp spread that I need to stay on = the rich side from the peak TIT in order to be on the declining rich = side of the head temp line and be safe?
 
Or is there another procedure = to run ROP and have nice cool head temps. The fuel flow settings in the = Continental for ROP operation make my head temps slowly creep above = 400.
 
Thanks for your = help
 
 


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