X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:55:36 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from mail.crescentpark.com ([66.192.64.50] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.2) with ESMTP id 5174889 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:38:01 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.192.64.50; envelope-from=dtaylor@crescentpark.com X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Fw: Updated SUMMARY OF LANCAIR ACCIDENTS IN NTSB DATABASE X-Original-Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 13:37:52 -0400 X-Original-Message-ID: <4BC31C60B4CBCD4CB1D0A2F716CC711B01E37511@server31.crescentpark.com> In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [LML] Re: Fw: Updated SUMMARY OF LANCAIR ACCIDENTS IN NTSB DATABASE Thread-Index: AcyUuj9FpHLzkgVzShOpHy+TtBaaywAEwb8A References: From: "Taylor, David" X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" Yea here it is again, the wing stalls at the same high alpha (high AOA) always. Nothing else don't matter. You all need to know what this feels like. Yes, you need to stall the wing in practice up at 8k or so. You don't need to stall it much - just get some separation off the wing and a little drop and then put the stick forward. Yes it's a little scary. =20 Please please please get an instructor who will guide you thru this if you don't want to do it yourself. (you'll see that at high AOA the wings drops fast after a little "burble". You have about 2 seconds to get the stick forward if you do this by accident. You don't have time to ponder your AOA meter or to think about it.) Apparently the policy of some instructors to never accidentally get the airplane in high AOA and to never stall the Legacy in training aint working. =20 Dave T. -----Original Message----- From: Lancair Mailing List [mailto:lml@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Hamid Wasti Sent: 10-27-11-Thu 11:08 To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Fw: Updated SUMMARY OF LANCAIR ACCIDENTS IN NTSB DATABASE Kevin Stallard wrote: > Look, even with an AOA installed, I could see an undisciplined pilot=20 > panicking and yanking on the stick because he doesn't know what else=20 > to do. And even experienced airline pilots have done just just that in the Colgan Air (Buffalo, NY) and Air France 447 (Atlantic Ocean) crashes in 2009. Regards, Hamid -- For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html