X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 14:07:11 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from smtp174.dfw.emailsrvr.com ([67.192.241.174] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.1) with ESMTPS id 5107327 for lml@lancaironline.net; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:22:52 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=67.192.241.174; envelope-from=walter@advancedpilot.com Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp7.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 20EC125817A for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:22:17 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: OK Received: by smtp7.relay.dfw1a.emailsrvr.com (Authenticated sender: walter-AT-advancedpilot.com) with ESMTPSA id 94233258189 for ; Mon, 29 Aug 2011 13:22:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Walter Atkinson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--823598409 Subject: Re: [LML] LOP Academics X-Original-Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 11:22:14 -0600 In-Reply-To: X-Original-To: "Lancair Mailing List" References: X-Original-Message-Id: <15478063-2967-4889-B7C2-C72F1AB0DA2B@advancedpilot.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-1--823598409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Jack: It may be "just you!" Seriously, I can see how you may think what you = do if you do not appreciate the breadth of what is being presented.=20 First of all, "most" of the information delivered during the APS class = is not new and can be garnered by anyone with reasonable research skills = and a one million dollar engine test facility. It took us about five = years to gather all of the information with its supporting data that we = present. The percentage of the course that covers LOP operation is = probably less than 5%. The class is much more than that. You will see = detonation on a live running engine and learn how to recognize it and = what to do to stop it. You will learn about the effects of the three = cockpit knobs on the combustion event and how they affect performance = and longevity as well as your pocket book. We spend several hours on = engine monitor interpretation and how to save a lot of money on = maintenance. Some of the data presented is proprietary and cannot be = seen anywhere else in the world. It takes 16 hours to present it in a = digestible format. The curriculum is much more in depth than you assume = and we don't do any singing or hold any prayer services. You don't get = a secret decoder ring but we might force "you" to learn the LSU or = Oklahoma fight song. If all you want is to know how to pull a, knob or two, Mike Busch has = taken the APS class three times and is attempting to present some of our = material. Unfortunately, Mike, who is a long-time friend, has some of = it wrong. Some of his recommendations are not supported by any known = data and to the contrary there is quite a bit of data which contradicts = some of his thoughts on the subject. He does present some good = information on maintenance. OTOH, you could spend four to five years and several million bucks = generating all of the data yourself. That's fine, too. Just curious, were you "held ransom" for your college education or did = you chose to pay for it? If you don't want to come, don't come, but if you decide to join us to = learn all of this over one, intense, fun weekend, we'll be happy to have = you. It's 16+ hours of "Just the facts, m'am." Walter Atkinson Advanced Pilot Seminars On Aug 28, 2011, at 7:32 PM, JON ADDISON wrote: From: jraddison@msn.com To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: RE: lml Digest #3493 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 09:34:28 -0700 Is it just me, or are others disturbed at $995 ransom for getting engine = operating information that shouldn't be a secret. Nor is it particularly proprietary.=20 Forget the wineing and dining and secret membership code rings. =20 Half day max from Mike Busch should do it. Hey that's an idea! A. It's not rocket science. B. 2 and a half days of humming Cum-by-ya is too much. C. If some don't already accept LOP in principle, let those ones go, = it's only fair to engine shops. D. Readers Digest was popular for good reasons. E. I have a very fast plane for a good reason.... I've got places to go = and people to see!=20 F. Sargeant Friday: "The facts ma'am, just the facts ma'am." G. Drinking too much Koolaid will give you a tummy ache. Jack Addison A Need for Speed From: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: lml Digest #3493 Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:00:02 -0400 Lancair Mailing List Digest #3493 =20 1) Want to trade your IV for a Cirrus? by Berni 2) Re: Rain in the cockpit... by John Hafen 3) Fuel caps, LNC2 by "George Shattuck" 4) Re: How do I run lean of peak? by Paul Bricker 5) Re: Paint by Jeff Pelletier 6) Re: LOP effect on CHT by Colyn Case 7) Re: finding the right altitude in a 4P by Craig Gainza 8) Re: LNC2 Fuel Caps by Matt Hapgood 9) Finding the right altitude in a 4P by paul miller 10) Re: Nice weekend at a fly-in by "Bill Harrelson" 11) Re: LOP effect on CHT by paul miller 12) Almost completed LIVP for sale by "John Petersen" 13) Re: LNC2 Fuel Caps by vtailjeff@aol.com 14) Re: LNC2 Fuel Caps by "Danny Miller" 15) Re: How do I run lean of peak? by Walter Atkinson 16) Re: In-flight Mag Check? by Gary Casey 17) Re: How do I run lean of peak? by Gary Casey 18) Re: Spark plugs by don Grabiel 19) Re: LOP effect on CHT by Walter Atkinson 20) Wing Cuffs and more by "Nicholas Paczkowski" 21) Re: N927LE Returning =46rom Moscow Airshow (Russia) by =20 This digest is sent to you because you are subscribed to the mailing list . For archives and help click = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/Lists/lml/List.html LML website: http://www.lancaironline.net/maillist.html --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:00 -0400 Subject: Want to trade your IV for a Cirrus? From: bbreen@cableone.net I own a 2007 Cirrus SR22GTS Turbo with every option including A/C and = Avidyne panel still under warranty. Engine still under warranty. I = just had a new DFC90 digital autopilot installed also under warranty. = It is a mint condition airplane with 600 hours TTA&E, hangered 100% of = the time. Interior 10, exterior 10. Maintained by the best Cirrus = certified shop in the country. =20 I want to trade for a Lancair IV in the same condition. I have owned a = normally aspirated IV and a turbine. I am open to a trade for any well = built, mint condition IV. My airplane is worth a solid $350,000 and = will actually sell for that number or close to it. =20 =20 Let me know if you are interested. =20 Sent from my iPad Berni=20 228 342-2521 Bbreen@cableone.net --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:00 -0400 Subject: Re: [LML] Rain in the cockpit... From: j.hafen@comcast.net Ron: =20 If you really want to keep rain out of the cockpit, go slower in the = pattern, and to be able to carry a ton of stuff, I would recommend a = Cessna T210. The nice high wing keeps the elements out while you load a = Corvette engine in the back where you have taken out the back 4 seats. = The CG and load carrying capacity is such that it is hard to physically = over load, although I think I did accomplish that a few times. =20 Of course, you give up a about 100 knots, and the chicks don't dig you = as much. But at least you don't have to carry a towel in the cockpit. =20 John Hafen IVP 414AJ, 330 hours =20 =20 On Aug 25, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Ronald STEVENS wrote: =20 Hello guys =20 As you probably are aware I am flying my .... off in my Lancair 4p. I = did more than 50 hours now within 1 month. And the flying has been a = blast, a revelation, a learning experience beyond my imagination. =20 However sometimes you are stumbling on little facts that is kind of = surprising and will get your attention fast LOL =20 For example, last time I flew into KORL (Orlando Executive) I got = surprised by a steep sink rate (I was heavy, 2 pilots over 500pound, = luggage 80 pounds, full fuel), I landed almost without any flare. I noticed this a few times when I was slow in my downwind (like just = 100) and before you know it you are getting back on the power curve so = much that it can surprise you a lot.=20 =20 So off course I will keep my speed up in the pattern, as 120 is actually = a good speed, not too fast and still a good angle of attack, 110 base = and final, and only on short final pulling power. =20 But my question here is......each time I am in rain, and I release the = door seal....it starts training inside the plane. Now in the summer this = is not a big deal, but when it is getting colder.....brrrrrr =20 Is there anything you can do to prevent this? (besides keeping a towel = in the cabin LOL) =20 Also......how do I maintain the door seal in a good condition? Thanks =20 =3D=3D Ronald (>50 hours and counting) =20 -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =20 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400 From: gws37@plantationcable.net Subject: Fuel caps, LNC2 Over the last 15 years or so I have regularly put a few drops of Marvel = Mystery Oil (MMO) onto and around the rubber "O" ring on the fuel cap. = Over time they dry out and will not compress, e.g. slide on the metal as = the tab is closed. I have the original fuel caps. =20 I also put MMO in my fuel at the recommended rate per gallon. =20 George Shattuck LNC2, 1500 hrs+/- --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: How do I run lean of peak? From: pbricker@att.net Robert is correct that many engines can run LOP right out of the box. I wasn't as lucky with my IO-550N from Performance. I had 1.7 gph spread! GAMI initially sent a set of "E" sized injectors to get me in the ballpark, and then we swapped out 3 and 4 with "F"'s, and the spread was down to 0.2 gph. The engine loved running LOP. I ran my ES WOT, 2500 rpm at 10,000 at ~ 11.5 gph and 184 KTAS. =20 Paul Bricker =20 On 8/25/11 7:48 AM, "Lancair" wrote: =20 >A lot has been written about GAMI injectors but they are far from >required for LoP operation. I had a Lyc IO360 by Aero Sport Power, >Kamloops BC in my GlaStar and ran the GAMI fuel burn test. The fuel >flows were beautifully balanced and I ran LoP just fine. The plugs were >clean at every check and I had 500 hrs on it when I sold it. Changed = the >plugs once. Saved 1.5 gph as I recall. > >After break-in of my Cont. TSIO550 by Performance (yes, THAT = Performance) >I ran the same burn test and lo and behold it too had great balance. = All >cylinders peaked at about the same time although at different >temperatures. I cruise it TIT 1550-1600, EGT 100F LoP 17.3 gph set at >2500rpm and 32=B2. Plugs are clean and the engine runs smoothly. > >Aircraft have run LoP for decades without GAMI injectors, so test the >engine before you hurry to pay the cost. > >Robert M. Simon >ES-P N301ES > >From: Danny Miller [mailto:danny.miller@verizon.net] >Subject: RE: How do I run lean of peak? >Gary, et.al, >I certainly can=B9t speak to what others are getting but I have GAMI >injectors and my engine has been flow balanced. >-- >For archives and unsub >http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html =20 =20 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400 From: Loantracy@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Paint I am in the paint stage and picking paint brand and type, what has been = used ? =20 Has anyone used an acrylic urethane auto paint? =20 thanks =20 Jeff Pelletier 209.609.0233 Sent from my iPad =20 On Aug 25, 2011, at 7:48 AM, "Greenbacks, UnLtd." = wrote: =20 > Is there an ideal thickness of clear coat on top of a color base? > How about leading edges in particular? > For those of you who have recently painted a 320/360, what quantity of = materials were required? >=20 > Thanks, >=20 > Angier Ames > N4ZQ > -- > For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400 From: colyncase@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [LML] LOP effect on CHT Well, one issue is you would like your oil hot enough to boil the water = off. On Aug 25, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Art Jensen wrote: It is true that running LOP will cause the engine to run cooler. As you = all know the Legacy doesn't have cowl flaps. I built my Legacy with = inlets in the cowl that are 1/4 inch smaller in diameter to reduce = cooling drag, tightened up the baffling to make use of all the cooling = air and I find that running LOP at altitude my CHT's will run from 278 = to 300 degrees. Since I could not find anything published regarding how = cool you can run the engine, I asked a tech rep. from Continental how = cool you can run the IO-550 engine and what damage would result should I = do so. He indicated that that's the reason you don't find a published = number. Is that possible? At the temps mentioned above, my oil temp is 180 degrees. So, I would like to hear from you regarding your thoughts on this = subject. Thanks for your input. Art Jensen From: Walter Atkinson ;=20 To: ;=20 Subject: [LML] Re: How do I run lean of peak?=20 Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 5:28:42 PM=20 But what is your actual hourly saving and is it worth the additional = stress on your engines for the potentially much lower TBO? You decide = and your mileage may vary. 400 million hours of flight data supports the fact that when run ROP, = the TC-18 radial on the DC-7s had a TBO of 600 hours. When run LOP it = had a TBO of 3600 hours. Yep, 3 thousand 6 hundred vs. 6 hundred hours. --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400 From: cgainza@msn.com Subject: RE: [LML] finding the right altitude in a 4P Ralf, I use Seattle Avionics Voyager and fltpln.com. Voyager is a big program = and is best used on a fast machine with decent sized memory. The = preflight planning is a snap. It optimizes for altitudes after = downloading weather. I use fltpln.com primarily for recently accepted IFR routes. Good luck, Craig Gainza=20 To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:36:43 -0400 From: bronnenmeier@GROBSYSTEMS.COM Subject: [LML] finding the right altitude in a 4P Dear subscribers, =20 One question bothers me for a while now and maybe someone can give me an answer on it. =20 How do I find the right altitude with a head wind? =20 Usually winds get stronger when you go higher - at the same time the plane goes faster when you go higher.=20 =20 If I think long enough I probably could come up with a solution calculating headwind components at different altitudes and comparing it with the 3 kts speed increase per 100ft (Craig Berland's number). =20 How do you find your altitude without messing around for too long? =20 Thanks =20 Ralf -- For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400 From: matt.hapgood@alumni.duke.edu Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNC2 Fuel Caps A big Thank You to everyone on the list who has called or email with = suggestions and offers of help with my fuel cap challenge. I have = ordered two new caps from Spruce (Lancair was out of stock) and will try = to scavenge for parts so I can keep the polished part of my existing = caps and also have spare stuff laying around the garage to annoy my = wife. Sincerely, Matt On Aug 25, 2011, at 8:48 AM, "Mark Ravinski" wrote: Matt, The locking lever acts like a cam and goes over a high point as it = closes. I suspect you've worn down the bump. See if you can disassemble the cap = and orient the parts so as to be able to file down the spot on the = bottom of the bump and thereby restore some of it's prominence. Don't = overdo it, - you need to take up the lost material with the adjustment = nut. =20 Mark Ravinski ----- Original Message ----- From: Matt Hapgood To: lml@lancaironline.net Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 2:36 PM Subject: [LML] LNC2 Fuel Caps I am having a fuel cap crisis with my 360. Here's the quick story: =20 1. I've been flying my 360 for 10 years. Never had any problem with = fuel caps. 2. Got the plane out of annual a few weeks ago 3. Now the little flip lever that wedges the cap closed will not stay = down. It pops up. Happened on one side, so I played around with it a = bit and loosened and tightened the nut at the bottom of the cap. No = help. Compared to other side and can see no difference. Then, like an = idiot, decided to lubricate the working sides' o-ring (which I have done = MANY time in the past). I just use engine oil from the dipstick. = Again, have done this MANY times over 10 years. =20 Now neither side will stay closed. I am 1300 NM (KEGE) from my home = base, and not a fan of flying with duct tape over the fuel caps. Short = of ordering new fuel caps, any suggestions?=20 =20 Anyone had this problem with their fuel caps in the past? =20 Any help appreciated... =20 Matt Hapgood 919-619-3296 No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com=20 Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3854 - Release Date: 08/24/11 = 02:34:00 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400 From: paul@tbm700.com Subject: [LML] Finding the right altitude in a 4P I have Flitestar for the TBM which is great for fuel planning with = integrated winds. Used on the Lancair to test whether going high will = help or hurt. =20 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400 From: n5zq@verizon.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Nice weekend at a fly-in Yep, almost exactly the same...5 gallons each. =20 Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 1,950 hrs N6ZQ IV under construction =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 -----Original Message-----=20 From: Dr. Weinsweig Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:48 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: [LML] Re: Nice weekend at a fly-in =20 awesome!....but did the amount of urine in bottles at the end of the = flight=20 equal the amount of remaining fuel?!?! =20 david weinsweig n750dw propjet weinsweigd@gmail.com =20 >>> n5zq@verizon.net 08/22/2011 1:28 PM >>> Got back to Virginia (VA42, Fredericksburg) last night after attending a fly-in at Flabob airport (KRIR) in Riverside, CA. I flew NONSTOP both = ways. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N5ZQ Not too bad for a little 2 place homebuilt. I have removable extra tanks = for a total capacity of 85 gallons. I landed at Flabob with an hour of fuel = in the tank, I landed in Fredericksburg with 4 hours remaining. =20 Bill Harrelson N5ZQ 320 1,950 hrs N6ZQ IV under construction =20 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400 From: paul@tbm700.com Subject: Re: [LML] LOP effect on CHT Art, I've been tracking baffling baffling issues for some time in my = Legacy. I run much hotter CHTs (closer to 380 in cruise) but my oil = temp is down to 158F with the door wide open in warm weather (during = cruise, not takeoff or ground). My hangar mate Legacy runs in the = 310-320 range on the same flights so I know I have a leak. I tested one = flight a few weeks ago with 1 piece of tape to hold the baffle tight up = front and my temps dropped to 320F immediately after takeoff in warm = Florida. The tape blew off before the end of the flight but it told me = where to look. As far as too cool CHTs, I don't think that's a problem. = If you ran 300F all day long I can't see how that would hurt anything = and that's in the Green range, right? Here is a picture of where my tape went to seal the baffle against the = cowl. I assume it was flapping in flight or opening up in this region. = 4 inches tape =3D 80 degree drop in CHTs across the board. On 2011-08-25, at 8:48 AM, Art Jensen wrote: ... how cool you can run the IO-550 engine --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400 From: johnp@arlingtoninstitute.org Subject: Almost completed LIVP for sale I have an almost completed, very well-built LIVP for sale. It has an American Eagle V-8 500 hp, liquid cooled engine. This engine was = designed using the most advanced internal combustion technologies specifically = for the LIVP. The firewall forward components and blended winglets were = designed by a Boeing design engineer for this airplane. It has a two display = Chelton glass panel with Garmin, TruTrak, Icom, etc. units. Three GPS sources. Body in primer. Two front seats upholstered. Rest of leather available. Had engine running and then engine control unit software got corrupted. Needs a new ECU OEM or after market system. No known problems except = the engine ECU. =20 Wife wants me out of this project. Have over $600K in it. Will sell = for $200. Located in Merritt Island, FL =20 If interested, let me know and I'll provide PowerPoint show of photos. =20= =20 John L. Petersen Berkeley Springs, West Virginia, 25411=20 USA Mobile: +1-703-623-1944 =20 =20 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400 From: vtailjeff@aol.com Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNC2 Fuel Caps Duct tape will not come off. =20 Sent from my iPad =20 On Aug 25, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Berni wrote: =20 > If you are forced to fly with no other solution I would suggest using = aluminum (sometimes called speed tape) tape. It will not come off in = flight. This would be a much better temporary solution than duct tape. =20= >=20 > Sent from my iPad > Berni Breen > Bbreen@cableone.net >=20 > On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Matt Hapgood = wrote: >=20 >> I am having a fuel cap crisis with my 360. Here's the quick story: >>=20 >> 1. I've been flying my 360 for 10 years. Never had any problem with = fuel caps. >> 2. Got the plane out of annual a few weeks ago >> 3. Now the little flip lever that wedges the cap closed will not stay = down. It pops up. Happened on one side, so I played around with it a = bit and loosened and tightened the nut at the bottom of the cap. No = help. Compared to other side and can see no difference. Then, like an = idiot, decided to lubricate the working sides' o-ring (which I have done = MANY time in the past). I just use engine oil from the dipstick. = Again, have done this MANY times over 10 years. >>=20 >> Now neither side will stay closed. I am 1300 NM (KEGE) from my home = base, and not a fan of flying with duct tape over the fuel caps. Short = of ordering new fuel caps, any suggestions? =20 >>=20 >> Anyone had this problem with their fuel caps in the past? >>=20 >> Any help appreciated... >>=20 >> Matt Hapgood >> 919-619-3296 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400 From: danny.miller@verizon.net Subject: RE: [LML] LNC2 Fuel Caps I disagree. Duct tape is fine and probably easier to remove than the aluminum tape. I've used standard duct tape on military flights in = testing and found that it holds just fine and only begins to separate at mach 1 = as the wave passes over it. =20 Danny Miller N 38=B0 43' 25.7" W 77=B0 30' 38.6" =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Berni [mailto:bbreen@cableone.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:49 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] LNC2 Fuel Caps =20 If you are forced to fly with no other solution I would suggest using aluminum (sometimes called speed tape) tape. It will not come off in flight. This would be a much better temporary solution than duct tape. =20= =20 Sent from my iPad Berni Breen Bbreen@cableone.net =20 On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Matt Hapgood wrote: =20 > I am having a fuel cap crisis with my 360. Here's the quick story: > =20 > 1. I've been flying my 360 for 10 years. Never had any problem with = fuel caps. > 2. Got the plane out of annual a few weeks ago > 3. Now the little flip lever that wedges the cap closed will not stay down. It pops up. Happened on one side, so I played around with it a = bit and loosened and tightened the nut at the bottom of the cap. No help. Compared to other side and can see no difference. Then, like an idiot, decided to lubricate the working sides' o-ring (which I have done MANY = time in the past). I just use engine oil from the dipstick. Again, have = done this MANY times over 10 years. > =20 > Now neither side will stay closed. I am 1300 NM (KEGE) from my home = base, and not a fan of flying with duct tape over the fuel caps. Short of ordering new fuel caps, any suggestions? =20 > =20 > Anyone had this problem with their fuel caps in the past? > =20 > Any help appreciated... > =20 > Matt Hapgood > 919-619-3296 =20 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: How do I run lean of peak? From: walter@advancedpilot.com =20 On Aug 25, 2011, at 8:48 AM, Lancair wrote: =20 Aircraft have run LoP for decades without GAMI injectors, so test the = engine before you hurry to pay the cost. =20 =20 =20 That's certainly true and GAMI agrees. They are not interested in = selling anyone something they don't need. --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400 From: casey.gary@yahoo.com Subject: Re: In-flight Mag Check? Craig, Thanks for the suggestion. But you didn't state which of the three = types you recommend..... :-). Ah, never mind - I think I just figured = it out. I've always worried about moving the ignition switch in flight (as John = reported), so in my ES I installed two independent switches, one for = each ignition. That eliminates a single point of failure. Gary Casey John, Yes, not a bad idea=85.however=85.I have done three different types of = cruise mag checks. 1. I was flying by myself. Obtained desired data. 2. Flying with better half and failed to =93inform=94 her I was = going to do a mag check. 3. Flying with better half and informed her I was going to do a mag = check and one mag was failed. (Engine stopped=85) =20 As an honorable man, I can only recommend one of the three methods. If one mag if bad and engine stops, I recommend you pull mixture to idle = cutoff, switch back to both mags and then slowly advance mixture and set = proper fuel flow. Simply switching back to both mags can cause unwanted = noises when the fuel in the exhaust ignites. Unwanted noises can cause = bruising around your neck. Craig Berland IV-P N7VG --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400 From: casey.gary@yahoo.com Subject: Re: How do I run lean of peak? Danny, Then I don't entirely understand, as running 2400 at 10,000 puts you at = about 62% power and and at 100 ROP you should be burning about 10 GPH. = So if you are running 8.5 GPH you must be running LOP, or at least at = peak, already. Yes, you will likely save about 1 to 1.5 GPH, or about = $5 per hour. So to save the $1,000 of the course you will have to fly = 200 hours. Not many, actually. Plus you will be getting better range = (fewer fuel stops and the fuel stops you do make can be at lower fuel = cost locations), longer spark plug, oil and engine life. Cleaning 8 = spark plugs costs, what, maybe $100, so every little bit helps. When = running ROP I could barely get 100 hours between cleaning and at LOP = they will easily go 200 hours. I think if you add up all the savings = you will find that the course will pay for itself in 100 hours if, that = is, you leave taking full advantage of the course. And that's not = counting the value of the piece of mind that comes from knowing more = about how the engine operates. Again, just my opinion. Gary Casey Gary, et.al, I certainly can=92t speak to what others are getting but I have GAMI = injectors and my engine has been flow balanced. On consistent 2.5 hour = flights from VA to MI I indicate about 8.5 to 8.8 gph. This is backed = up by the amount of fuel I replace in the tanks which is about 22 gal. =96= never been more but sometimes a little less. I fly at 2400 rpm and = whatever MP I can get (usually about 21=94) at 10,000 ft. So again, for = me, the expense of this $995 course just doesn=92t work out for my ROI. =20 Danny Miller --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400 Subject: Re: [LML] Spark plugs From: grabiel71@gmail.com Champion fine wire. There great. Don G. 722B On Aug 25, 2011 10:53 AM, "Dico Reijers" wrote: > Hello, >=20 > I am just wondering what type of spark plugs you guys are using? The > regular ones or the fine wire ones? Also, which brand? I notice = Tempest > advertising their new "modern" plugs with no springs -- all solid = state. > They claim smoother running engines and less wasted fuel. >=20 > -Dico --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400 From: walter@advancedpilot.com Subject: Re: [LML] LOP effect on CHT Anything above about 230dF on the CHT is fine. Lycoming says 150dF. TCM = does not publish a number. Walter Atkinson On Aug 25, 2011, at 8:48 AM, Art Jensen wrote: It is true that running LOP will cause the engine to run cooler. As you = all know the Legacy doesn't have cowl flaps. I built my Legacy with = inlets in the cowl that are 1/4 inch smaller in diameter to reduce = cooling drag, tightened up the baffling to make use of all the cooling = air and I find that running LOP at altitude my CHT's will run from 278 = to 300 degrees. Since I could not find anything published regarding how = cool you can run the engine, I asked a tech rep. from Continental how = cool you can run the IO-550 engine and what damage would result should I = do so. He indicated that that's the reason you don't find a published = number. Is that possible? At the temps mentioned above, my oil temp is 180 degrees. So, I would like to hear from you regarding your thoughts on this = subject. Thanks for your input. Art Jensen From: Walter Atkinson ;=20 To: ;=20 Subject: [LML] Re: How do I run lean of peak?=20 Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 5:28:42 PM=20 But what is your actual hourly saving and is it worth the additional = stress on your engines for the potentially much lower TBO? You decide = and your mileage may vary. 400 million hours of flight data supports the fact that when run ROP, = the TC-18 radial on the DC-7s had a TBO of 600 hours. When run LOP it = had a TBO of 3600 hours. Yep, 3 thousand 6 hundred vs. 6 hundred hours. --Forwarded Message Attachment-- To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400 From: npaczkowski@telus.net Subject: Wing Cuffs and more I am trying to locate the guys who do LIV wing cuffs and other = aftermarket Lancair parts (ie carbon fibre rudder/ baggage door hinges/ = emergency gear extension gas cylinder etc plus builder assist) who are = located at the former Lancair facility at Redmond Airport. I thought = that their name was Fibertech or something similar but now I cannot find = them on the internet and I have lost their card. Any help would be = appreciated. Thanks =20 Nick Paczkowski =20 =20 =20 =20 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: marv@lancair.net Subject: Re: N927LE Returning =46rom Moscow Airshow (Russia) To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:39:55 -0400 Posted for ED MARTIN : * I have some photos of N927LE meeting Canadian Customs after returning from a double TransAtlantic crossing and coming = from displaying at the Moscow Airshow. At present time, I don't have capability to upload to the LML but Pete Z also has many photos with = him right now. Here's the LINK if you wish to post: = http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N927LE/history/20110824/1459Z/BGBW/CYYR= * --Apple-Mail-1--823598409 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Jack:

It may be "just you!" =  Seriously, I can see how you may think what you do if you do not = appreciate the breadth of what is being = presented. 

First of all, "most" of the = information delivered during the APS class is not new and can be = garnered by anyone with reasonable research skills and a one million = dollar engine test facility.  It took us about five years to gather = all of the information with its supporting data that we present. =  The percentage of the course that covers LOP operation is probably = less than 5%.  The class is much more than that.  You will see = detonation on a live running engine and learn how to recognize it and = what to do to stop it.  You will learn about the effects of the = three cockpit knobs on the combustion event and how they affect = performance and longevity as well as your pocket book.  We spend = several hours on engine monitor interpretation and how to save a lot of = money on maintenance.  Some of the data presented is proprietary = and cannot be seen anywhere else in the world.  It takes 16 hours = to present it in a digestible format.  The curriculum is much more = in depth than you assume and we don't do any singing or hold any prayer = services.  You don't get a secret decoder ring but we might force = "you" to learn the LSU or Oklahoma fight song. =  <g>

If all you want is to know how = to pull a, knob or two, Mike Busch has taken the APS class three times = and is attempting to present some of our material.  Unfortunately, = Mike, who is a long-time friend, has some of it wrong.  Some of his = recommendations are not supported by any known data and to the contrary = there is quite a bit of data which contradicts some of his thoughts on = the subject.  He does present some good information on = maintenance.

OTOH, you could spend four to five = years and several million bucks generating all of the data yourself. =  That's fine, too.

Just curious, were you = "held ransom" for your college education or did you chose to pay for = it?

If you don't want to come, don't come, but = if you decide to join us to learn all of this over one, intense, fun = weekend, we'll be happy to have you. It's 16+ hours of "Just the = facts, m'am."

Walter = Atkinson
Advanced Pilot = Seminars



On Aug = 28, 2011, at 7:32 PM, JON ADDISON wrote:




From: jraddison@msn.com
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject= : RE: lml Digest #3493
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 09:34:28 = -0700

Is it just me, or are others disturbed at = $995 ransom for getting engine operating information that shouldn't be a = secret. Nor
is it particularly = proprietary. 
 Forget the wineing and = dining and secret membership code rings.  
Half= day max from Mike Busch should do it.   Hey that's an = idea!

A.  It's not rocket science.
B. =  2 and a half days of humming Cum-by-ya is too much.
C. =  If some don't already accept LOP in principle, let those ones go, = it's only fair to engine shops.
D.  Readers Digest was = popular for good reasons.
E.  I have a very fast plane = for a good reason.... I've got places to go and people to = see! 
F.  Sargeant Friday: "The facts ma'am, just = the facts ma'am."
G.  Drinking too much Koolaid will give = you a tummy ache.

Jack Addison
A Need = for Speed

From: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject= : lml Digest #3493
Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2011 06:00:02 -0400

 =
       Lancair Mailing List Digest #3493

1) Want to trade your = IV for a Cirrus?
by Berni <bbreen@cableone.net>
2) = Re: Rain in the cockpit...
by John Hafen <j.hafen@comcast.net>
3) = Fuel caps, LNC2
by "George Shattuck" <gws37@plantationcable.net>= ;
4) Re: How do I run lean of peak?
by Paul Bricker <pbricker@att.net>
5) Re: = Paint
by Jeff Pelletier <Loantracy@sbcglobal.net> 6) Re: LOP effect on CHT
by Colyn Case <colyncase@earthlink.net> 7) Re: finding the right altitude in a 4P
by Craig Gainza = <cgainza@msn.com>
8) = Re: LNC2 Fuel Caps
by Matt Hapgood <matt.hapgood@alumni.duke.edu<= /a>>
9) Finding the right altitude in a 4P
by paul miller = <
paul@tbm700.com>
10) = Re: Nice weekend at a fly-in
by "Bill Harrelson" <n5zq@verizon.net>
11) Re: LOP = effect on CHT
by paul miller <paul@tbm700.com>
12) Almost = completed LIVP for sale
by "John Petersen" <johnp@arlingtoninstitute.org<= /a>>
13) Re: LNC2 Fuel Caps
by
vtailjeff@aol.com
14) Re: LNC2 = Fuel Caps
by "Danny Miller" <danny.miller@verizon.net><= br>15) Re: How do I run lean of peak?
by Walter Atkinson <walter@advancedpilot.com><= br>16) Re: In-flight Mag Check?
by Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com>
17) = Re: How do I run lean of peak?
by Gary Casey <casey.gary@yahoo.com>
18) = Re: Spark plugs
by don Grabiel <grabiel71@gmail.com>
19) = Re: LOP effect on CHT
by Walter Atkinson <walter@advancedpilot.com><= br>20) Wing Cuffs and more
by "Nicholas Paczkowski" <npaczkowski@telus.net>
21)= Re: N927LE Returning =46rom Moscow Airshow (Russia)
by <marv@lancair.net>

This = digest is sent to you because you are subscribed to
the mailing = list <lml@lancaironline.net>.
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Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:00 -0400
Subject: Want to trade your IV for a = Cirrus?
From: bbreen@cableone.net

I =
own a 2007 Cirrus SR22GTS Turbo with every option including A/C and =
Avidyne panel still under warranty.  Engine still under warranty.  I =
just had a new DFC90 digital autopilot installed also under warranty.  =
It is a mint condition airplane with 600 hours TTA&E, hangered 100% =
of the time.  Interior 10, exterior 10.  Maintained by the best Cirrus =
certified shop in the country.

I want to trade for a Lancair IV = in the same condition. I have owned a normally aspirated IV and a = turbine. I am open to a trade for any well built, mint condition IV. = My airplane is worth a solid $350,000 and will actually sell for that = number or close to it.

Let me know if you are interested.
=
Sent from my iPad
Berni
228 342-2521
Bbreen@cableone.net

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Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [LML] Rain in the = cockpit...
From: j.hafen@comcast.net

Ro=
n:

If you really want to keep rain out of the cockpit, go slower = in the pattern, and to be able to carry a ton of stuff, I would = recommend a Cessna T210. The nice high wing keeps the elements out = while you load a Corvette engine in the back where you have taken out = the back 4 seats. The CG and load carrying capacity is such that it is = hard to physically over load, although I think I did accomplish that a = few times.

Of course, you give up a about 100 knots, and the = chicks don't dig you as much. But at least you don't have to carry a = towel in the cockpit.

John Hafen
IVP 414AJ, 330 hours
=

On Aug 25, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Ronald STEVENS wrote:
=
Hello guys

As you probably are aware I am flying my .... off = in my Lancair 4p. I did more than 50 hours now within 1 month. And the = flying has been a blast, a revelation, a learning experience beyond my = imagination.

However sometimes you are stumbling on little facts = that is kind of surprising and will get your attention fast LOL
=
For example, last time I flew into KORL (Orlando Executive) I got = surprised by a steep sink rate (I was heavy, 2 pilots over 500pound, = luggage 80 pounds, full fuel), I landed almost without any flare.
I = noticed this a few times when I was slow in my downwind (like just 100) = and before you know it you are getting back on the power curve so much = that it can surprise you a lot.

So off course I will keep my = speed up in the pattern, as 120 is actually a good speed, not too fast = and still a good angle of attack, 110 base and final, and only on short = final pulling power.

But my question here is......each time I am = in rain, and I release the door seal....it starts training inside the = plane. Now in the summer this is not a big deal, but when it is getting = colder.....brrrrrr

Is there anything you can do to prevent this? = (besides keeping a towel in the cabin LOL)

Also......how do I = maintain the door seal in a good condition? Thanks

=3D=3D Ronald = (>50 hours and counting)

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Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400
From: gws37@plantationcable.netSubject: Fuel caps, LNC2

Over= the last 15 years or so I have regularly put a few drops of Marvel = Mystery Oil (MMO) onto and around the rubber "O" ring on the fuel = cap.  Over time they dry out and will not compress, e.g. slide on = the metal as the tab is closed.  I have the original fuel = caps.
 
I = also put MMO in my fuel at the recommended rate per = gallon.
 
George Shattuck
LNC2, 1500 hrs+/-


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Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: How do I run = lean of peak?
From: pbricker@att.net

Robert =
is correct that many engines can run LOP right out of the box. =
I
wasn't as lucky with my IO-550N from Performance. I had 1.7 gph = spread!
GAMI initially sent a set of "E" sized injectors to get me in = the
ballpark, and then we swapped out 3 and 4 with "F"'s, and the = spread was
down to 0.2 gph. The engine loved running LOP. I ran my ES = WOT, 2500 rpm
at 10,000 at ~ 11.5 gph and 184 KTAS.

Paul = Bricker

On 8/25/11 7:48 AM, "Lancair" <lancair-esp@ustek.com> = wrote:

>A lot has been written about GAMI injectors but they = are far from
>required for LoP operation. I had a Lyc IO360 by = Aero Sport Power,
>Kamloops BC in my GlaStar and ran the GAMI = fuel burn test. The fuel
>flows were beautifully balanced and I = ran LoP just fine. The plugs were
>clean at every check and I had = 500 hrs on it when I sold it. Changed the
>plugs once. Saved 1.5 = gph as I recall.
>
>After break-in of my Cont. TSIO550 by = Performance (yes, THAT Performance)
>I ran the same burn test and = lo and behold it too had great balance. All
>cylinders peaked at = about the same time although at different
>temperatures. I cruise = it TIT 1550-1600, EGT 100F LoP 17.3 gph set at
>2500rpm and 32=B2. = Plugs are clean and the engine runs smoothly.
>
>Aircraft = have run LoP for decades without GAMI injectors, so test = the
>engine before you hurry to pay the = cost.
>
>Robert M. Simon
>ES-P = N301ES
>
>From: Danny Miller = [mailto:danny.miller@verizon.net]
>Subject: RE: How do I run lean = of peak?
>Gary, et.al,
>I certainly can=B9t speak to what = others are getting but I have GAMI
>injectors and my engine has = been flow balanced.
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Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400
From: Loantracy@sbcglobal.net
Sub= ject: Re: [LML] Re: Paint

I am in the paint stage and =
picking paint brand and type, what has been used ?  
Has anyone used = an acrylic urethane auto paint?

thanks

Jeff = Pelletier
209.609.0233
Sent from my iPad

On Aug 25, 2011, = at 7:48 AM, "Greenbacks, UnLtd." <N4ZQ@VERIZON.NET> wrote:
=
> Is there an ideal thickness of clear coat on top of a color = base?
> How about leading edges in particular?
> For those = of you who have recently painted a 320/360, what quantity of materials = were required?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Angier = Ames
> N4ZQ
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Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400
From: colyncase@earthlink.net
Sub= ject: Re: [LML] LOP effect on CHT

Well, one issue is you would = like your oil hot enough to boil the water off.

On Aug = 25, 2011, at 10:48 AM, Art Jensen wrote:

It is true that running = LOP will cause the engine to run cooler. As you all know the Legacy = doesn't have cowl flaps. I built my Legacy with inlets in the cowl that = are 1/4 inch smaller in diameter to reduce cooling drag, tightened up = the baffling to make use of all the cooling air and I find that running = LOP at altitude my CHT's will run from 278 to 300 degrees. Since I could = not find anything published regarding how cool you can run the engine, I = asked a tech rep. from Continental how cool you can run the IO-550 = engine and what damage would result should I do so. He indicated that = that's the reason you don't find a published number. Is that = possible?

At the temps mentioned above, my oil temp is 180 = degrees.

So, I would like to hear from you regarding your = thoughts on this subject. Thanks for your input.

Art = Jensen


 Walter Atkinson <walter@advancedpilot.com>;=  
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>; 
Subject:<= span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> [LML] Re: How do I = run lean of peak? 
Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 = 5:28:42 PM 


But what is your actual hourly saving and is it = worth the additional stress on your engines for the potentially much = lower TBO? You decide and your mileage may vary.


400 = million  hours of flight data supports the fact that when run ROP, = the TC-18 radial on the DC-7s had a TBO of 600 hours.  When run LOP = it had a TBO of 3600 hours.  Yep, 3 thousand 6 hundred vs. 6 = hundred = hours.



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Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400
From: cgainza@msn.com
Subject: RE: = [LML] finding the right altitude in a 4P

Ralf,

I use Seattle Avionics Voyager and fltpln.com.  Voyager is a big = program and is best used on a fast machine with decent sized = memory.  The preflight planning is a snap.  It optimizes for = altitudes after downloading weather.

I use fltpln.com primarily for recently = accepted IFR routes.

Good luck,

Craig Gainza 




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Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400
From: matt.hapgood@alumni.duke.edu<= /a>
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: LNC2 Fuel Caps

A big Thank You = to everyone on the list who has called or email with suggestions and = offers of help with my fuel cap challenge.  I have ordered two new = caps from Spruce (Lancair was out of stock) and will try to scavenge for = parts so I can keep the polished part of my existing caps and also have = spare stuff laying around the garage to annoy my = wife.

Sincerely,

Matt
Matt,
The = locking lever acts like a cam and goes over a high point as it = closes.
I suspect = you've worn down the bump.  See if you can disassemble the cap and = orient the parts so as to be able to file down the spot on the = bottom  of the bump and thereby restore some of it's = prominence.  Don't overdo it, - you need to take up the lost = material with the adjustment nut.
 
Mark = Ravinski
----- = Original Message -----
 Wednesday, August 24, 2011 = 2:36 PM
 [LML] = LNC2 Fuel Caps

I am having a fuel cap crisis = with my 360.  Here's the quick story:
 
1. = I've been flying my 360 for 10 years.  Never had any problem with = fuel caps.
2. Got the plane out of annual a few weeks = ago
3. Now the little flip lever that wedges the cap = closed will not stay down.  It pops up.  Happened on one side, = so I played around with it a bit and loosened and tightened the nut at = the bottom of the cap.  No help.  Compared to other side and = can see no difference.  Then, like an idiot, decided to lubricate = the working sides' o-ring (which I have done MANY time in the = past).  I just use engine oil from the dipstick.  Again, have = done this MANY times over 10 years.
 
Now = neither side will stay closed.  I am 1300 NM (KEGE) from my home = base, and not a fan of flying with duct tape over the fuel caps.  = Short of ordering new fuel caps, any = suggestions? 
 
Anyone had this problem = with their fuel caps in the past?
 
Any help = appreciated...
 
Matt = Hapgood
919-619-3296




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Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400
From: paul@tbm700.com
Subject: [LML] = Finding the right altitude in a 4P

I have Flitestar for the =
TBM which is great for fuel planning with integrated winds.  Used on the =
Lancair to test whether going high will help or hurt.
=


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To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400
From: n5zq@verizon.net
Subject: Re: = [LML] Re: Nice weekend at a fly-in

Yep, almost exactly the =
same...5 gallons each.

Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 1,950 = hrs
N6ZQ IV under construction





=
-----Original Message-----
From: Dr. Weinsweig
Sent: = Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:48 AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject= : [LML] Re: Nice weekend at a fly-in

awesome!....but did the = amount of urine in bottles at the end of the flight
equal the amount = of remaining fuel?!?!

david weinsweig
n750dw propjet
weinsweigd@gmail.com
=
>>> n5zq@verizon.net = 08/22/2011 1:28 PM >>>
Got back to Virginia (VA42, = Fredericksburg) last night after attending a
fly-in at Flabob airport = (KRIR) in Riverside, CA. I flew NONSTOP both ways.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N5ZQ
Not too = bad for a little 2 place homebuilt. I have removable extra tanks = for
a total capacity of 85 gallons. I landed at Flabob with an hour = of fuel in
the tank, I landed in Fredericksburg with 4 hours = remaining.

Bill Harrelson
N5ZQ 320 1,950 hrs
N6ZQ IV = under construction



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Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:01 -0400
From: paul@tbm700.com
Subject: Re: = [LML] LOP effect on CHT

Art, I've been tracking baffling baffling = issues for some time in my Legacy.   I run much hotter CHTs (closer = to 380 in cruise) but my oil temp is down to 158F with the door wide = open in warm weather (during cruise, not takeoff or ground).  My = hangar mate Legacy runs in the 310-320 range on the same flights so I = know I have a leak.  I tested one flight a few weeks ago with 1 = piece of tape to hold the baffle tight up front and my temps dropped to = 320F immediately after takeoff in warm Florida.   The tape blew off = before the end of the flight but it told me where to look.  As far = as too cool CHTs, I don't think that's a problem.  If you ran 300F = all day long I can't see how that would hurt anything and that's in the = Green range, right?

Here is a picture of where my = tape went to seal the baffle against the cowl.  I assume it was = flapping in flight or opening up in this region.  4 inches tape =3D = 80 degree drop in CHTs across the = board.

On 2011-08-25, at 8:48 = AM, Art Jensen wrote:

...
how cool = you can run the IO-550 = engine

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Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400
From: johnp@arlingtoninstitute.org<= /a>
Subject: Almost completed LIVP for sale

I have an =
almost completed, very well-built LIVP for sale.  It has an
American = Eagle V-8 500 hp, liquid cooled engine. This engine was = designed
using the most advanced internal combustion technologies = specifically for
the LIVP. The firewall forward components and = blended winglets were designed
by a Boeing design engineer for this = airplane. It has a two display Chelton
glass panel with Garmin, = TruTrak, Icom, etc. units. Three GPS sources.
Body in primer. Two = front seats upholstered. Rest of leather available.
Had engine = running and then engine control unit software got corrupted.
Needs a = new ECU OEM or after market system. No known problems except = the
engine ECU.

Wife wants me out of this project. Have over = $600K in it. Will sell for
$200. Located in Merritt Island, FL
=
If interested, let me know and I'll provide PowerPoint show of = photos.

John L. Petersen
Berkeley Springs, West Virginia, = 25411
USA
Mobile: +1-703-623-1944

=


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lml@lancaironline.net
Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400
From: vtailjeff@aol.com
Subject: Re: = [LML] Re: LNC2 Fuel Caps

Duct tape will not come off.
=
Sent from my iPad

On Aug 25, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Berni <bbreen@cableone.net> = wrote:

> If you are forced to fly with no other solution I = would suggest using aluminum (sometimes called speed tape) tape. It = will not come off in flight. This would be a much better temporary = solution than duct tape.
>
> Sent from my iPad
> = Berni Breen
> Bbreen@cableone.net
> =
> On Aug 24, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Matt Hapgood <matt.hapgood@alumni.duke.edu<= /a>> wrote:
>
>> I am having a fuel cap crisis with = my 360. Here's the quick story:
>>
>> 1. I've been = flying my 360 for 10 years. Never had any problem with fuel = caps.
>> 2. Got the plane out of annual a few weeks = ago
>> 3. Now the little flip lever that wedges the cap closed = will not stay down. It pops up. Happened on one side, so I played = around with it a bit and loosened and tightened the nut at the bottom of = the cap. No help. Compared to other side and can see no difference. = Then, like an idiot, decided to lubricate the working sides' o-ring = (which I have done MANY time in the past). I just use engine oil from = the dipstick. Again, have done this MANY times over 10 = years.
>>
>> Now neither side will stay closed. I am = 1300 NM (KEGE) from my home base, and not a fan of flying with duct tape = over the fuel caps. Short of ordering new fuel caps, any suggestions? =
>>
>> Anyone had this problem with their fuel caps = in the past?
>>
>> Any help = appreciated...
>>
>> Matt Hapgood
>> = 919-619-3296
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To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400
From: danny.miller@verizon.net
S= ubject: RE: [LML] LNC2 Fuel Caps

I disagree.  Duct tape is =
fine and probably easier to remove than the
aluminum tape. I've used = standard duct tape on military flights in testing
and found that it = holds just fine and only begins to separate at mach 1 as
the wave = passes over it.

Danny Miller
N 38=B0 43' 25.7"
W 77=B0 30' = 38.6"


-----Original Message-----
From: Berni = [mailto:bbreen@cableone.net]
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 10:49 = AM
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Subject= : Re: [LML] LNC2 Fuel Caps

If you are forced to fly with no = other solution I would suggest using
aluminum (sometimes called speed = tape) tape. It will not come off in
flight. This would be a much = better temporary solution than duct tape.

Sent from my = iPad
Berni Breen
Bbreen@cableone.net

On = Aug 24, 2011, at 1:36 PM, Matt Hapgood <matt.hapgood@alumni.duke.edu<= /a>>
wrote:

> I am having a fuel cap crisis with my = 360. Here's the quick story:
>
> 1. I've been flying my = 360 for 10 years. Never had any problem with fuel
caps.
> 2. = Got the plane out of annual a few weeks ago
> 3. Now the little = flip lever that wedges the cap closed will not stay
down. It pops = up. Happened on one side, so I played around with it a bit
and = loosened and tightened the nut at the bottom of the cap. No = help.
Compared to other side and can see no difference. Then, like = an idiot,
decided to lubricate the working sides' o-ring (which I = have done MANY time
in the past). I just use engine oil from the = dipstick. Again, have done
this MANY times over 10 years.
> =
> Now neither side will stay closed. I am 1300 NM (KEGE) from my = home base,
and not a fan of flying with duct tape over the fuel caps. = Short of
ordering new fuel caps, any suggestions?
> =
> Anyone had this problem with their fuel caps in the = past?
>
> Any help appreciated...
>
> Matt = Hapgood
> 919-619-3296



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To: 
lml@lancaironline.net
Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400
Subject: Re: [LML] Re: How do I run = lean of peak?
From: walter@advancedpilot.com
<= br>
 
On Aug 25, 2011, at 8:48 AM, Lancair wrote:
=
Aircraft have run LoP for decades without GAMI injectors, so test = the engine before you hurry to pay the cost.



That's = certainly true and GAMI agrees. They are not interested in selling = anyone something they don't need.


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To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400
From: casey.gary@yahoo.com
Subject: = Re: In-flight Mag Check?

Thanks for the suggestion.  But you didn't state which = of the three types you recommend..... :-).  Ah, never mind - I = think I just figured it out.
I've always worried about moving the = ignition switch in flight (as John reported), so in my ES I installed = two independent switches, one for each ignition.  That eliminates a = single point of failure.
Gary Casey

John,
Yes, not a = bad idea=85.however=85.I have done three different types of cruise mag = checks.
1.I was flying by myself.  = Obtained desired data.
2.Flying with better half and failed = to =93inform=94 her I was going to do a mag check.
3.Flying with better half and informed = her I was going to do a mag check and one mag was failed. (Engine = stopped=85)
 
As an honorable man, I can only = recommend one of the three methods.
If one mag if = bad and engine stops, I recommend you pull mixture to idle cutoff, = switch back to both mags and then slowly advance mixture and set proper = fuel flow. Simply switching back to both mags can cause unwanted noises = when the fuel in the exhaust ignites. Unwanted noises can cause bruising = around your neck.
Craig Berland
IV-P = N7VG



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To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400
From: casey.gary@yahoo.com
Subject: = Re: How do I run lean of peak?

Danny,
Gary Casey
Gary, et.al,
I = certainly can=92t speak to what others are getting but I have GAMI = injectors and my engine has been flow balanced.  On consistent 2.5 = hour flights from VA to MI I indicate about 8.5 to 8.8 gph.  This = is backed up by the amount of fuel I replace in the tanks which is about = 22 gal. =96 never been more but sometimes a little less.  I fly at = 2400 rpm and whatever MP I can get (usually about 21=94) at 10,000 = ft.  So again, for me, the expense of this $995 course just doesn=92t= work out for my ROI.
 
Danny = Miller


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To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400
Subject: Re: [LML] Spark = plugs
From: grabiel71@gmail.com

Champio= n fine wire. There great. Don G. 722B
On = Aug 25, 2011 10:53 AM, "Dico Reijers" <dico@internetworks.ca> = wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am just = wondering what type of spark plugs you guys are using? The
> = regular ones or the fine wire ones? Also, which brand? I notice = Tempest
> advertising their new "modern" plugs with no springs -- = all solid state.
> They claim smoother running engines and less = wasted fuel.
> 
> = -Dico


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To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400
From: walter@advancedpilot.com
S= ubject: Re: [LML] LOP effect on CHT

Anything above about 230dF on = the CHT is fine.  Lycoming says 150dF. TCM does not publish a = number.

Walter = Atkinson


On Aug 25, 2011, at 8:48 = AM, Art Jensen wrote:

It is true that running LOP will cause = the engine to run cooler. As you all know the Legacy doesn't have cowl = flaps. I built my Legacy with inlets in the cowl that are 1/4 inch = smaller in diameter to reduce cooling drag, tightened up the baffling to = make use of all the cooling air and I find that running LOP at altitude = my CHT's will run from 278 to 300 degrees. Since I could not find = anything published regarding how cool you can run the engine, I asked a = tech rep. from Continental how cool you can run the IO-550 engine and = what damage would result should I do so. He indicated that that's the = reason you don't find a published number. Is that possible?

At = the temps mentioned above, my oil temp is 180 degrees.

So, I = would like to hear from you regarding your thoughts on this subject. = Thanks for your input.

Art = Jensen


 Walter Atkinson <walter@advancedpilot.com>;=  
To: <lml@lancaironline.net>; 
Subject:<= span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> [LML] Re: How do I = run lean of peak? 
Sent: Mon, Aug 22, 2011 = 5:28:42 PM 


But what is your actual hourly saving and is it = worth the additional stress on your engines for the potentially much = lower TBO? You decide and your mileage may vary.


400 = million  hours of flight data supports the fact that when run ROP, = the TC-18 radial on the DC-7s had a TBO of 600 hours.  When run LOP = it had a TBO of 3600 hours.  Yep, 3 thousand 6 hundred vs. 6 = hundred = hours.


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To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:38:27 -0400
From: npaczkowski@telus.net
Subject= : Wing Cuffs and more

I am trying to locate the guys who do LIV wing = cuffs and other aftermarket Lancair parts (ie carbon fibre rudder/ = baggage door hinges/ emergency gear extension gas cylinder etc plus = builder assist) who are located at the former Lancair facility at = Redmond Airport.  I thought that their name was Fibertech or = something similar but now I cannot find them on the internet and I have = lost their card. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

 

Nick Paczkowski

 

 

 

 



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From: marv@lancair.net
Subject: Re: = N927LE Returning =46rom Moscow Airshow (Russia)
To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: = Fri, 26 Aug 2011 18:39:55 -0400


Posted for ED MARTIN = <edmartintx@gmail.com>:

=  *          I have = some photos of N927LE meeting Canadian
 Customs after returning = from a double TransAtlantic crossing and coming from
 displaying = at the Moscow Airshow.    At present time, I don't = have
 capability to upload to the LML but Pete Z also has many = photos with him
 right now.   Here's the LINK if you = wish to post:
 http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N927LE/history/20110824/1459Z= /BGBW/CYYR
 *

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