X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:57:19 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from raven.ravenwebhosting.com ([72.9.254.67] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTPS id 5071924 for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:48:44 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=72.9.254.67; envelope-from=paul@tbm700.com Received: from cpe-72-190-80-117.tx.res.rr.com ([72.190.80.117]:49736 helo=[192.168.1.74]) by raven.ravenwebhosting.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QoKwj-0003LG-Vu for lml@lancaironline.net; Tue, 02 Aug 2011 15:48:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Re-doing my panel References: From: paul miller Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1--1000149954 X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8J2) In-Reply-To: X-Original-Message-Id: X-Original-Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 15:48:16 -0400 X-Original-To: Lancair Mailing List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8J2) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - raven.ravenwebhosting.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lancaironline.net X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tbm700.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail-1--1000149954 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You don't own all the crying rights and don't think tso'd units fair any bet= ter. I have two avidyne exp5000 PFD/MFD certified in the Legacy sent back m= ore times than I have fingers and "4 months" would have made me happy if the= y had come back that quick. As soon as I can sell them they are gone. =20 Paul Spruce creek Sent from my iPad On 2011-08-02, at 15:17, jeffrey rienzi wrote: > Not for nothing, just my 2 cents. Built a Lancair Legacy panel from scratc= h ( see attached ) Had a high dollar EFIS, wouldn't TRUST it for the world. I= t had my aircraft down more times then I like to remember, how about the uni= t 4 months at the factory for repair one time, $1000 repair Bill, got it bac= k still had the same problems. You almost want to visit the factory with an A= R-15!!! For the type of flying most of us do, nothing is going to beat a 6 p= ack with HSI, and a unit like a Certified Gamin W530. Yes my panel was prett= y . . . if you don't mind a LOT of DOWN TIME, and restricted to VFR. I woul= dn't have another uncertified, NON TSO, unit in my Panel. =20 >=20 > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:49:26 -0400 > From: brent@regandesigns.com > Subject: [LML] Re: Re-doing my panel >=20 > In my "Glazed and Confused" presentation on "Glass Cockpits" I say that fl= ying an aircraft with a non-certified, non TSO'ed glass standby (Dynon et al= ) is like jumping out of an airplane with only your main parachute and your s= tandby plan is the fact you are wearing real soft socks. >=20 > Jeff referred to one of my earlier posts where I said. >=20 > "Regarding the question of backup systems, the more isolated your backup i= s from your primary, the less likely they will both be killed by the same ev= ent. If you wanted to guard against one of the windows in your house from be= ing shattered by a miscreant juvenile with a penchant for throwing rocks you= probably wouldn't put a second pane of glass behind the first as a single l= itho-projectile would destroy both.=20 >=20 > A spinning mass gyro is still the best standby for your EFIS system. They o= perate on different physics than the MEMS AHRS, they can, with internal or e= xternal battery, be independent of ship's power, they are familiar to all p= ilots and they are a cheap way to have TSO'ed gyro instrumentation." >=20 > Here is the link for the full posting from the archives: >=20 > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/Message/45144.html?Language=3D >=20 > Regards > Brent Regan > > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.htm= l --Apple-Mail-1--1000149954 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
You don't own all the crying rights and= don't think tso'd units fair any better.  I have two avidyne exp5000 P= FD/MFD certified in the Legacy sent back more times than I have fingers and "= 4 months" would have made me happy if they had come back that quick.  A= s soon as I can sell them they are gone.  

Pau= l
Spruce creek

Sent from my iPad

On 2011-08-0= 2, at 15:17, jeffrey rienzi <pt= jetpilot@hotmail.com> wrote:

Not for nothing, just my 2 cents. Built a Lancair Legacy panel from scratch (= see attached ) Had a high dollar EFIS, wouldn't TRUST it for the world. It h= ad my aircraft down more times then I like to remember, how about the unit 4= months at the factory for repair one time, $1000 repair Bill, got it back s= till had the same problems. You almost want to visit the factory with an AR-= 15!!! For the type of flying most of us do, nothing is going to beat a 6 pac= k with HSI, and a unit like a Certified Gamin W530. Yes my panel was pretty&= nbsp; . . . if you don't mind a LOT of DOWN TIME, and restricted to VFR. I w= ouldn't have another uncertified, NON TSO, unit in my Panel. 

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To: lml@lancaironline.net
Date: T= ue, 2 Aug 2011 10:49:26 -0400
From: brent@regandesigns.com
Subject: [LML] Re: Re-doing my panel

=20 =20 In my "Glazed and Confused" presentation on "Glass Cockpits" I say that flying an aircraft with a non-certified, non TSO'ed glass standby (Dynon et al) is like jumping out of an airplane with only your main parachute and your standby plan is the fact you are wearing real soft socks.

Jeff referred to one of my earlier posts where I said.

"Regarding the question of backup systems, the more isolated your backup is from your primary, the less likely they will both be killed by the same event. If you wanted to guard against one of the windows in your house from being shattered by a miscreant juvenile with a penchant for throwing rocks you probably wouldn't put a second pane of glass behind the first as a single litho-projectile would destroy both.

A spinning mass gyro is still the best standby for your EFIS system. They operate on different physics than the MEMS AHRS, they can, with internal or external battery, be independent of  ship's power, they are familiar to all pilots and they are a cheap way to have TSO'ed gyro instrumentation."

Here is the link for the full posting from the archives:

htt= p://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/Message/45144.html?Language=3D

Regards
Brent Regan
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