X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 15:31:57 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from vms173009pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.9] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5067520 for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:42:21 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=206.46.173.9; envelope-from=danny.miller@verizon.net Received: from DannyLaptop ([unknown] [71.114.3.85]) by vms173009.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0LP3007JYF54ZUB0@vms173009.mailsrvcs.net> for lml@lancaironline.net; Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:41:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Danny Miller" X-Original-To: "'Colyn Case'" , References: In-reply-to: Subject: RE: [LML] Re: Jeppesen Sanderson NavData & Obstacle Coverage, Cobham (Chelton) EFIS Non-LVP Americas Highway Robbery X-Original-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2011 07:41:22 -0400 X-Original-Message-id: <006201cc4de4$71408dc0$53c1a940$@miller@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-language: en-us Thread-index: AcxNHFnsZpDkQDFNRqa8n0OPFwHysgAxs8lg If I see a difference between my 430W GPS and the ForFlight info, I = follow FF because I know it's current. There have been a couple of times when = I was putting my flight plan into the 430 and a waypoint didn't come up. = At that point I have to cross check with FF on the iPad to see what a good waypoint would be and then put that in the 430. Other times I just use = the iPad alone. But, for the most part, my flights are about 2-3 hours so I = can usually go direct from A to B. I use strictly the iPad w/FF for = terminal procedures (approaches, SID, STAR, DP, etc.) so it's not a problem. Danny Miller N 38=B0 43' 25.7" W 77=B0 30' 38.6" -----Original Message----- From: Colyn Case [mailto:colyncase@earthlink.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2011 7:49 AM To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: [LML] Re: Jeppesen Sanderson NavData & Obstacle Coverage, Cobham (Chelton) EFIS Non-LVP Americas Highway Robbery So this gets to the question of exactly what can change in the gps data base. I assume waypoints can come and go and new procedures show up, or get enhanced with vnav. How do you deal with that? On Jul 27, 2011, at 8:30 AM, Danny Miller wrote: > Keeping your databases is very expensive. Unfortunately, if you're = going to > use your GPS for IFR flight, approaches, procedures, etc., it must be = kept > current. My alternative is to use my iPad with a $150/yr subscription = to > ForFlight (http://www.foreflight.com/ipad) for all my flights (VFR & = IFR) > and then once a year I update my Garmin 430W databases for $100. It = seems > to work very well and I don't have Jeppesen gouging me. >=20 > Danny Miller > N 38=B0 43' 25.7" > W 77=B0 30' 38.6" >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hafen [mailto:j.hafen@comcast.net]=20 > Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 7:48 AM > To: lml@lancaironline.net > Subject: Jeppesen Sanderson NavData & Obstacle Coverage, Cobham = (Chelton) > EFIS Non-LVP Americas Highway Robbery >=20 > I just wrote out a check for $624.45 to keep my Chelton system up to = date > for another year. >=20 > Do any of you know a less expensive option than Jeppesen? Or do they simply > have a corner on this market place? >=20 > Regards, >=20 > John Hafen > IVP 413AJ 300+ hours > 55 degrees, raining, with heavy icing above Seattle, world's worst = place to > own an airplane =20 >=20 >=20 > -- > For archives and unsub http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/lml/List.html