X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Sender: To: lml@lancaironline.net Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 18:59:37 -0400 Message-ID: X-Original-Return-Path: Received: from imr-da02.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.144] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4.0) with ESMTP id 5066765 for lml@lancaironline.net; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:57:59 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.144; envelope-from=rwolf99@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.41.12]) by imr-da02.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p6SIvGEu008134 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:57:16 -0400 Received: from core-dqa003b.r1000.mail.aol.com (core-dqa003.r1000.mail.aol.com [172.29.211.201]) by mtaomg-ma05.r1000.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 05D69E000081 for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:57:16 -0400 (EDT) X-Original-To: lml@lancaironline.net Subject: Re: Engine Baffles X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 97.115.225.13 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: rwolf99@aol.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CE1B6F4D3B02DF_1168_4A596_webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33996-STANDARD Received: from 97.115.225.13 by webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com (205.188.181.43) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:57:15 -0400 X-Original-Message-Id: <8CE1B6F4D2A5938-1168-1C80A@webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com> X-Originating-IP: [97.115.225.13] X-Original-Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2011 14:57:15 -0400 (EDT) x-aol-global-disposition: G X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:422052576:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d290c4e31b10c34b5 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ----------MB_8CE1B6F4D3B02DF_1168_4A596_webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" John - Your question was unclear as to whether you were looking for a fire shield,= cooling airflow control, or thermal protection. Please defer to answers f= rom guys who know the real answer to your question. However, here are some= things to think about. First things first. I am referring to the firewall as the protective layer= /layers that protects the airframe from fire. I am referring to the bulkhe= ad as the structural element that carries the loads. They are not usually = the same part. Normally they are layered. But usually we call the bulkhea= d "the firewall", even though it is incorrect to do so. 1) Fire shielding -- Thin stainless steel sheet (0.023 thick) is commonly = used for aircraft firewalls. The purpose of this element is to protect loa= d-carrying structure from direct flames. The qualification test is to expo= se it to a 2000 F flame for 15 minutes, or something very similar to that (= I'd have to reread the advisory circular). If the sheet doesn't burn throu= gh, it passes. In a metallic airplane, or even a tube-and-rag airplane lik= e a Citabria, the fact that the back side of the steel gets close to 1000F = does not matter. The load carrying bulkhead or tubing can still hold toget= her. Heat shielding is not needed. 2) Heat shielding (thermal insulation) -- Those of us with composite airpl= anes need to keep firewall backface temperatures low enough for the bulkhea= d to maintain its structural integrity. This is typically something like 1= 80-200 F. The Lancair 320/360 that I have has a plywood bulkhead with fibe= rglass cloth reinforcement. I do not know what the critical temperature is= but it is probably similar, since the plywood bulkhead is attached to the = fuselage with fiberglass. Later model Lancairs have fiberglass honeycomb b= ulkheads, as I understand it. For either of these aircraft a heat shield i= s needed. In the early days our firewall consisted of an 0.023 stainless fi= re shield on top of 3 plies of Fiberfrax heat shielding. Later models used= a quilted ceramic blanket that appears to be aluminized on one side (the h= ot side) and covered with a red RTV impregnated cloth on the other. (That'= s probably not what the outer lyes really are, but that's what it looks lik= e.) (I took one look at Angier Ames' beautiful quilted firewall and took m= y steel/fiberfrax out and replaced it. I saved 3.5 pounds in the process, = too.) 3) Engine baffling -- These are the aluminum sheets that direct cooling ai= r thru the cylinder head cooling fins. These don't get very hot and take v= ery slight loads, so aluminum works fine. =20 I'm not entirely sure why I barfed out all these words but they might help = someone. Have fun at Oshkosh for me this week if you are there. I plan to= join y'all next year -- maybe even fly there in my own Lancair! (Don't pa= nic -- I have threatened this before...) - Rob Wolf ----------MB_8CE1B6F4D3B02DF_1168_4A596_webmail-d088.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
John -
 
Your question was unclear as to whether you were looking for a fire sh= ield, cooling airflow control, or thermal protection.  Pleas= e defer to answers from guys who know the real answer to your question.&nbs= p; However, here are some things to think about.
 
First things first.  I am referring to the firewall as the protec= tive layer/layers that protects the airframe from fire.  I am referrin= g to the bulkhead as the structural element that carries the loads.  T= hey are not usually the same part.  Normally they are layered.  B= ut usually we call the bulkhead "the firewall", even though it is incorrect= to do so.
 
1)  Fire shielding -- Thin stainless steel sheet (0.023 thick) is= commonly used for aircraft firewalls.  The purpose of this element is= to protect load-carrying structure from direct flames.  The qualifica= tion test is to expose it to a 2000 F flame for 15 minutes, or something ve= ry similar to that (I'd have to reread the advisory circular).  If the= sheet doesn't burn through, it passes.  In a metallic airplane, or ev= en a tube-and-rag airplane like a Citabria, the fact that the back side of = the steel gets close to 1000F does not matter.  The load carrying bulk= head or tubing can still hold together.  Heat shielding is not needed.=
 
2)  Heat shielding (thermal insulation) -- Those of us with = composite airplanes need to keep firewall backface temperatures low enough = for the bulkhead to maintain its structural integrity.  This is typica= lly something like 180-200 F.  The Lancair 320/360 that I have has a p= lywood bulkhead with fiberglass cloth reinforcement.  I do not know wh= at the critical temperature is but it is probably similar, since the plywoo= d bulkhead is attached to the fuselage with fiberglass.  Later model L= ancairs have fiberglass honeycomb bulkheads, as I understand it.  For = either of these aircraft a heat shield is needed. In the early days our fir= ewall consisted of an 0.023 stainless fire shield on top of 3 plies of Fibe= rfrax heat shielding.  Later models used a quilted ceramic blanket tha= t appears to be aluminized on one side (the hot side) and covered with a re= d RTV impregnated cloth on the other.  (That's probably not what the o= uter lyes really are, but that's what it looks like.)  (I took one loo= k at Angier Ames' beautiful quilted firewall and took my steel/fiberfrax ou= t and replaced it.  I saved 3.5 pounds in the process, too.)
 
3)  Engine baffling -- These are the aluminum sheets that di= rect cooling air thru the cylinder head cooling fins.  These don't get= very hot and take very slight loads, so aluminum works fine. 
 
I'm not entirely sure why I barfed out all these words but they might = help someone.  Have fun at Oshkosh for me this week if you are there.&= nbsp; I plan to join y'all next year -- maybe even fly there in my own Lanc= air!  (Don't panic -- I have threatened this before...)
 
- Rob Wolf

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